LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:38 am
$$Bm67 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm67 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:50 am
First feeling:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:54 pm
$$Wm68 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm68 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Decided
is gote. After
helps the W group, I have more freedom.
For
, I debated about just pulling back with
-- same idea, to get sente for
--
(in fact, this result looks better than in the game, doesn't it?
)
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
The spot
is nice, so of course I wanted to take it myself with
(for
).
But, again, I did not see any severe follow-up to
, so
seemed gote, so I rejected it:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:34 am
$$Bm69 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm69 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:33 pm
$$Wm70 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm70 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Give up one ko threat, but it seems sente. Otherwise, if the local situation changes later,
B can simply atari
(more efficient), not having to reduce the libs of the 3 W stones.
LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:10 am
$$Bm71 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm71 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:47 pm
$$Wm72 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm72 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Still not sure.
Part of the reason for the timing of
atari was to prepare for
.
Is that a shared area of sorts? Maybe something like
(helps the (a) areas for B).
I'm still hoping, with every move, to slowly make the tengen
inefficient/misplaced --
not sure if that's happening, either.
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:55 am
Loons
Gosei
Posts: 1378 Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:17 amGD Posts: 0Location: wHam!lton, AotearoaHas thanked: 253 times Been thanked: 105 times
Post
by Loons Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:50 am
$$Wm72 Prisoners:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm72 Prisoners:
I thought about it for a little bit, and I really want to play 'a' and try to drag the game to the marked stones. I was initially thinking about 'b', but I don't want to spend a move in black's bottom left while it seems to have options.
Of course, I have lost my last twelve million games straight, so who knows. In other news, I'm not entirely sure why black was thinking about white playing Q2.
LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:06 am
$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
What I read
$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm31 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:24 am
Interesting. I didn't consider
. Actually I didn't know what B was going to do, so I was curious.
I wonder if
had anything to do with the idea "often, your opponent's move is also your move":
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
He probably did not want having to reduce W's libs directly...
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
...nor did he want this result:
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:05 pm
$$Wm74 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm74 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Not sure if it's the biggest, but it's pretty big.
Maybe the
-
exchange was lucky, as I wasn't sure if
was sente.
One idea was even though
is far away, maybe it has some bearing with this
group?
Another idea was
and
-- big yose-ish moves by themselves -- were also preparing for
:
$$Wm74
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm74
LexC
Dies with sente
Posts: 89 Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 amRank: KGS 3 kyuGD Posts: 0Location: FranceHas thanked: 5 times Been thanked: 1 time
Post
by LexC Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:46 am
$$Bm75 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm75 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:10 am
Hmm... not what I was expecting; have to study.
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
If tenuki from
(
or otherwise) -- after
, (a) fails, and (b)...?
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WVariation (a):
W dies:
$$W :w9: fills :bt:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W :w9: fills :bt:Variation (b):
After
, then
at (c) fails because
at (d) kills W...
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W...so
at (d) is forced. After
, we have
at (e) or (f) --
and
at (e) fails again (similar to how
at
fails), so
at (f) is forced...
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W... not sure about this result; have to study:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
The clamp
doesn't seem good; B can easily live, with nice follow-ups starting with the throw-in at (g):
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
Probably overthinking and missed the simple
:
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W
EdLee
Honinbo
Posts: 8859 Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pmGD Posts: 312Location: Santa Barbara, CAHas thanked: 349 times Been thanked: 2070 times
Post
by EdLee Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:47 pm
$$Wm76 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm76 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
is gote. After 
helps the W group, I have more freedom.
, I debated about just pulling back with 
-- same idea, to get sente for 
--
)
(more efficient), not having to reduce the libs of the 3 W stones.
atari was to prepare for 
.
(helps the (a) areas for B).
inefficient/misplaced --
. Actually I didn't know what B was going to do, so I was curious.
- 
group?
and 
-- big yose-ish moves by themselves -- were also preparing for 
:
, (a) fails, and (b)...?
, then 
at (c) fails because 
at (d) kills W...
, we have 
at (e) or (f) --
at 