#147 Marcus vs 1986

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:43 am

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Very calm play by my opponent. No panic yet. Good for him.

Let's see how calm he can stay. K16 works well with my 3-5 at C15. K16 also supports my O17 kakari (is that the right term?). I have a tendency to create too many weak groups (regardless of who has what handi) ... let's see if I can avoid that in this game. Only two weak stones left to defend.

I would say that, so far, Black has played well. However, Black has also played to avoid complications, too. That might be to White's advantage, if White can successfully assess the whole board and consistently pick larger moves than Black picks ...

However, as many on the boards here know, I'm not very strong at positional judgment. My main strengths lie in reading and complicated fighting. I've played all my first moves in an attempt to entice my opponent into a fight, where I'm much more likely to come out ahead. Instead, my opponent is not playing my game. This is good for him, because I'm more likely to make a game-defining mistake in a game without much complications. I wonder if my opponent knew that beforehand? :mrgreen:

Anyways, since my opponent has selected such a calm path forward, I need to adjust and pull back the baying hounds of war. I'm satisfied with the exchange in the upper right, and now I need to solidify the two lower quadrants.

That doesn't mean I'm not looking at the weak areas in my opponent's formations ... here are some spots on the board that I'm eying for possible future attacks (the marked points aren't necessarily future moves, but weak points in my opponent's structure):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm8 Possible future attack areas within Black's area of influence $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . b . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . h . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . c . g . X . f . . . . O . . e . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In addition, I'm still trying to entice an invasion out of my reclusive opponent. Will he jump in at one of my weak points on the top?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm8 White's weak areas up top $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . e a f . . c . . . d . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , b . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, all this hinges on what my opponent decides to attack next. Let's see ...

1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:26 pm

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man, i wrote a nice long explaination and it got messed up so now i got to rewrite everything again :lol:

ill just give u the shorthand this time

I wanted to play A or C in the dia below, but
that is too soft,
besides 10 is sente and i can come back to defend that area later, as long as i retain sente

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b is cool but the timing is not right yet, the open corner has priority

i choose 10 becuase its sente and i dont want him to play there

well thats the shorthand version, gotta go for now see u later :ugeek:

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:16 pm

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:41 pm

Illuck, I'd thought that, but the simplest variation is ambiguous to me.

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After

, I would think that white partially owes a move.

Edited to fix the diagram.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:48 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:30 pm

@illuck, hyperpape

My own instinct was trying this:

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...Which has been played, but a database search of GoGoD turns up this as far-and-away the normal move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm10 With possibly a delay between 14 & 15. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . 1 . . 3 6 . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . a . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Where white is aiming at shapey attacks, like a.

Of course, throwing black into the corner is the other idea, but I don't feel that C6 warrants sacrificing the corner like that.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:53 pm

@Loons:

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:50 pm

There's already a lively discussion going! Awesome!

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1986 · Post by **1986** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:18 pm

i know its alot of comments & its so early in the game, i hope they not talking about me... unless its good things :lol:

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my move just picked up a nice corner but now its his sente ( its a ok trade a rule of thumb is sente is worth about 15 points (go dojo), i just picked up at least 20 points w/ move #12)

(a) & (c) in my last post would be perfect for white for his next move, but it might not be the right time for him to play there yet because the c15 stone doesn't have a base and that is important, but it would be sente for him to play there because i would have to respond with (d)

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some thoughts:

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i think this is ok for black if he does decide to go this route

:study:

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:06 am

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Ok, he took the corner as expected. Let's share the bottom left corner now and help out my C6 stone. Here's my plan (keeping it simple):

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From there, I'll likely react to whatever he sends my way. The fuseki portion of the game always makes me the most nervous, because I seem to suck at it so badly. I hope I'm not making to much of a mess of things. :blackeye:

1986 · Post by **1986** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:02 am

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i just got through talking about this base-less stone at c15

this looks ok to me...

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im assuming this is going to be peaceful, although i love a good fight too :rambo:

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these kind of fights lead to complications, but i just gotta be careful, and take my time because he is 2k and even 1 wasted stone could turn the game around. thats why i have this game on my real life goban so it has my undivided attention. lets get ready to rumbellll!
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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:42 am

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Ah, this is more like it. My opponent is giving me choices. The question is ... what do I want to do here? Is it worth pulling my C15 stone out, or should I leave it and take something bigger? How will Black respond?

Here's the board before my move, and the possible moves that jump out at me:

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Obviously, taking C3 (c) is a big move. I definitely want to take that. Should I do it now, though? Black's C13 stone ( :b14:

) is looking mighty lonely. It may be possible to induce my opponent to defend that stone, letting me take C3. So, (a) or (b)? (b) seems to be touching a weak stone, which isn't any good here, because all I do is make Black stronger on the left side (possibly in sente), so let's discard that. I want my opponent to spend a move (in gote) to defend C13. Black is also starting to get sealed in to the upper left corner. I don't want to let that advantage slide either.

Another note, my C15 stone has some support up towards H17 and K16, so I'm not just running with no option (did Jowa really mean don't EVER run?

I find that difficult to digest).

Finally, if I add one more stone to C15, it's still not a huge investment. If E15 (a) is a mistake, I can cut my losses in that area and still likely be ok.

Here's my plan (along with hot spots I'm watching):

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This is starting to look pretty good for me ... at least, I feel pretty good about it. We'll see how long that feeling lasts ... :mrgreen:

1986 · Post by **1986** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:41 am

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i took some extra time to think about it and play with the stones
& well im my prev diag i found a problem

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm16 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X 4 X 7 . O . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . 5 . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

either way this is pitiful :blackeye:

im pretty sure its workable with sabaki, but its not a fair fight for me because its too many white stones around.

so i gotta keep it simple & try save my two stones, and play my singel stone lightly

so i must play 16, how did i find the move, well elementary my dear (go dojo) sector lines, mixed with a little Yilun Yang "inside weak group!"...."move out!"

example of sector line.

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this is going to be interesting :study:

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:07 am

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:29 am

for obs only:

below is what i expect and white not good.
word of advice.. if you are not sure if your move is good...chances are they are not.

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below is correct exchange IMO. that exchange is painful for black.

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therfore below is correct play for black.

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