Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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yoyoma,
yoyoma wrote:Yes, but most people are able to get through it with Chrome+translate or similar.
Thanks. Seems non-"Premium" members are allowed to watch for a short time (a few minutes) before they kick you out? :)

Here is Takemiya sensei's 2nd move in their 2nd game (I think?):
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Moments ago...
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Now O Meien 9p is providing live commentary.
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Yose (both sides in 30-second byoyomi)...
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Scoring:
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Final score:
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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Zen won the second game with 4 stone handi against Takemiya Masaki 9p. Edit: I fixed a mistake, I now get B+20, same as they did.

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Post-game commentary:
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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My own transcriptions, the first game I probably have quite a few major order errors (mostly related to the ko on top left). The second should mostly be fine, though in both games the endgame definitely have minor errors.



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Bye bye... :)
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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That's a pretty scary, seeing a pro being taken down on 4 stones by Zen. I don't think I would have a chance on 4 stones against the mighty T.
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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They should have kept going to 3H!
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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Javaness2 wrote:That's a pretty scary, seeing a pro being taken down on 4 stones by Zen. I don't think I would have a chance on 4 stones against the mighty T.


The thing is, Zen's positional awareness is so good that while it may not see the consequence of some of it's aji, it makes very good (and consistent) judgement calls. It's style is very well suited to handi go.
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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Official SGFs:
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Hiroshi Yamashita <yss@bd.mbn.or.jp> wrote:
All SGF are now available from organizer page.

Takemiya 9p vs Zen 5 handicaps, Zen won
http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/20 ... 9x19-1.sgf
Takemiya 9p vs Zen 4 handicaps, Zen won
http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/20 ... 9x19-2.sgf

Ohashi 5p vs Zen 9x9 Komi is 7.0, Ohashi won
http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/20120317/9x9-1.sgf
Ohashi 5p vs Zen 9x9 Komi is 7.0, Zen won
http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/20120317/9x9-2.sgf

Cognitive Science and Entertainment
http://entcog.c.ooco.jp/entcog/event/20 ... vscom.html

Regards,
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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Wow, that's truly impressive. I'm going to have to eat my hat, Computer Go is improving more quickly at the mid dan ranks than I suspected would be possible before at least 2020.
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Re: Takemiya versus Zen19 on March 17

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Now, we got a problem chess has for some years now: players that cheat in running a programm besides their play on the internet. I don't see a effective solution other than blitz games.

I also think one should match a pro vs. Zen in 2013 to play an even game with a price tag of 10K, sponsored by some firm. I think it's time that Zen can legitimately look to beat pro's, esp. in rapid games.
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