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Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:45 am
by yoyoma
trout wrote:handa711 wrote:anyone know the exact time?
12am EST USA.
Where did you see that? According to this
http://baduk.hangame.com/news.nhn it starts Dec 10 at 10am KST.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=20 ... A00+am+kstMaybe you're talking about the baduk-tv broadcast,
http://gogameguru.com/baduk-tv-guide/ it starts at 3pm KST.
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2013-12-10+3pm+kst But I think that is 1 hour later than the time you gave.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:49 am
by trout
Sorry about miss information. It started 8pm EST USA.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:48 pm
by trout
1st game,
Tang Weixing defeated Lee Sedol by 0.5.
Next game:10am 12/11,12/12/13(Korea time)
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:10 am
by emeraldemon
http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/wr/18scf1.sgf
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:04 pm
by emeraldemon
Game 2 just started, it's streaming on wbaduk and tygem.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:15 pm
by trout
2nd game,
Tang Weixing defeated Lee Sedol by resign.
Tang Weixing is new Samsung cup Champion and probably will be promoted to 9p.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:21 am
by emerus
China shuts Korea out in terms of individual tournaments this year. Even Japan even managed to win one!
Interestingly, I believe Korea won every team event.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:23 am
by Arms Longfellow
There's so many crazy young prodigies in China right now. In 5 years who will stop these guys?
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:16 am
by Uberdude
A very red year:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.j.s ... Table.htmlAnd for every winner it was their first international title (and no one won two). This only happened once before in 2006 (not counting the first year of international tournaments in 1988). Competition from the young-uns is really hotting up! But it remains to be seen how many of these new players have the longevity of the big names like Lee Changho, Cho Hunhyeon, Lee Sedol, Gu Li. Chen Yaoye is perhaps the exception in that he has been a top player for several years and many people would consider his 1st win overdue.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:34 am
by joppon
This Result has truly shocked me. Is this truly the end of an era? I hope not.
Anyway, I've been following (second to Lee Sedol) the results of Yang Dingxin. He seems to be very strong even at just 15. In the last year and a half he's beaten all of the Chinese players in that list.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:21 am
by emeraldemon
Judging by Uberdude's table it's the first year since 2006 that Lee Sedol hasn't won a tournament.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:27 am
by Kirby
Here's the second game:
(;KO[6.5]PB[Lee Sedol]BR[9d]PW[Tang Weixing]WR[3d]RE[W+Resign]MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[pd];W[dc];B[qp];W[dq];B[de];W[ce];B[cf];W[cd];B[do];W[co];B[cn];W[cp];B[df];W[fc]
;B[dn];W[fq];B[dj];W[oq];B[po];W[qi];B[qk];W[qf];B[qe];W[pf];B[nc];W[oj];B[np];W[mq]
;B[re];W[mp];B[go];W[hp];B[in];W[gf];B[jd];W[ne];B[jg];W[gh];B[gd];W[fd];B[dd];W[cc]
;B[fe];W[ge];B[gc];W[gb];B[hb];W[fb];B[ic];W[ld];B[nd];W[me];B[lc];W[jf];B[if];W[ie]
;B[kf];W[je];B[ke];W[hd];B[kd];W[hc];B[oh];W[pk];B[qh];W[rh];B[pi];W[qj];B[pj];W[ql]
;B[rk];W[ph];B[pg];W[rj];B[sj];W[ri];B[pl];W[ok];B[rl];W[oi];B[nh];W[ph];B[pi];W[qm]
;B[rm];W[pm];B[qn];W[lg];B[rf];W[mi];B[rg];W[kg];B[mh];W[li];B[id];W[he];B[lh];W[kh]
;B[ki];W[jh];B[mo];W[lo];B[ln];W[ko];B[gp];W[gq];B[ip];W[ho];B[hn];W[hq];B[kn];W[kj]
;B[jo];W[no];B[mn];W[op];B[kq];W[qr];B[rr];W[qq];B[rq];W[rp];B[pr];W[pq];B[ro];W[bh]
;B[ci];W[of];B[qg];W[bf];B[gi];W[ij];B[fh];W[hk];B[ni];W[nm];B[lj];W[ji];B[nn];W[oo]
;B[om];W[ol];B[on];W[mk];B[qs];W[lr];B[nr];W[or];B[os];W[ps];B[nj];W[nk];B[pr];W[nq]
;B[kr];W[ps];B[mj];W[lk];B[pr];W[rs];B[ss];W[ps];B[lf];W[mg];B[pr];W[mr];B[mf];W[ng]
;B[ph];W[pj];B[nf];W[og];B[oe];W[bn];B[bm];W[bo];B[hh];W[hg];B[ch];W[bg];B[ib];W[fk]
;B[cl];W[bi];B[bj];W[lp];B[ir];W[iq];B[jq];W[hr];B[ep];W[jm];B[eq];W[er];B[il];W[im]
;B[gs];W[hm];B[dr];W[fr];B[cr];W[bq];B[jn];W[hs];B[gl];W[hl];B[br];W[ar];B[ap];W[aq]
;B[an];W[cq];B[gk];W[gm];B[fl];W[fg];B[gg];W[fm];B[gj];W[pe];B[od];W[gh];B[ao];W[eh]
;B[gg];W[eg];B[dh];W[gh];B[rs];W[ns];B[gg];W[ei];B[ff];W[gh];B[bs];W[ds];B[gg];W[pp]
;B[sp];W[gh];B[dp];W[es];B[gg];W[io];B[gh];W[jp];B[em];W[aj];B[ak];W[ai];B[mm];W[ml]
;B[ih];W[ig];B[cj];W[el];B[ek];W[en];B[dl];W[km];B[ps];W[cg];B[dg];W[ee];B[ef];W[ed]
;B[ki];W[li];B[pn];W[pl];B[ga];W[fa];B[ha];W[fn])
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:41 am
by Kirby
An interesting position in the second game is here:
$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . C . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X W . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . W . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . C . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X W . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . W . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My initial thought was that the marked stones are weak. So I was surprised to see black opt to connect under. I figured it would have been more effective for black to jump out and continue to pressure the white stones, maybe with something like this:
$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
However, maybe this is because of the weakness of the black stone shape:
$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O B . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O B . . B . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O B . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O B . . B . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or maybe it's not acceptable to allow white to damage the left side like this:
$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X 6 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 7 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X 4 X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X 6 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 7 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Anyway, I wonder what the best way is for white to fight back, if black were to jump out without getting connected.
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:58 am
by macelee
This does not work for black.
$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . . X . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O . . . . . O O . . X X . |
$$ | . . X X . 5 O . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . 4 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . O . , . . O X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . O . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: Samsung cup main tournament starts
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:02 am
by Kirby
Thanks, macelee. Things always seem so simple when someone explains them to you.
