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by SinK Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:27 am
I'm taking black in an even game (7.5komi) with Suji and I'll post my first move just as soon as I've worked out how this diagram stuff works.
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by SinK Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:44 am
$$B Move 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Move 1Good Luck.
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by Suji Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:22 pm
We're playing territory rules, and I've only played under the Japanese rules so it's going to make the game interesting.
$$Wc Move 2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 2I almost checked the hide tag since it was a new malkovich thread, but I remembered that I was playing this one so I didn't check it.
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by SinK Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:12 am
$$Bc Move 3
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 3Sorry, I assumed territory rules were the same as Japanese rules. To prevent any confusion then; this game is Japanese rules since if there is a difference then I don't even know what territory rules are.
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by judicata Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:27 am
Good luck to you both.
Not for the players:
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by topazg Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:29 am
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by judicata Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:33 am
For what it's worth, the primary direction of that last 5-3 stone is along the right edge anyway, so it is still working in general towards (and with) the 4-4 stone in the top right. Looks interesting enough to me
Agreed--if black gets thickness facing the
right side from that stone, it looks pretty nice--especially if he can get an extension in. That's why I'm not saying its a bad move. Maybe it will accidentally turn out that way for black
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by Excalibor Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:07 am
Not for the players:
judicata wrote: For what it's worth, the primary direction of that last 5-3 stone is along the right edge anyway, so it is still working in general towards (and with) the 4-4 stone in the top right. Looks interesting enough to me
Agreed--if black gets thickness facing the
right side from that stone, it looks pretty nice--especially if he can get an extension in. That's why I'm not saying its a bad move. Maybe it will accidentally turn out that way for black
.
I think it will be interesting to watch. Now, as I have played the Manchurian fuseki before, if I wanted thickness facing my 4-4 stone, I'd play 5-4, which is so good a bait for luring the opponent into helping you to get that thickness... Of course 5-3 variations are also know, so this can certainly work.
However, being ddk and let's hope following the canon (ehem) I would expect white to play on the empty corner and black to enclose the lower right one, so we won't be seeing that anymore, but who knows?
To tell the truth, I'm starting to be tempted by these Malkovich games myself... ehem, ehem
Edit: made sure players won't read this until the game's over...
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by Suji Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:19 pm
Good to see that our game here is attracting attention.
$$Wc Move 4
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 4Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand it is that territory rules are Chinese and area rules are Japanese?
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by topazg Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:08 pm
Suji wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I understand it is that territory rules are Chinese and area rules are Japanese?
a) This is exactly the wrong way round
b) It's also not quite correct. There's strictly no such thing as territory rules and area rules, but there is things defined as territory counting (your surrounded territory minus the stones your opponent captured) and area counting (your surrounded territory and your stones on the board). As long as you play dame out, the score difference is negligible enough not to worry about it.
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by SinK Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:55 am
$$Bc Move 5
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 5
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by Aphelion Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:46 am
I think A > B in the following diagrams
$$Bc A
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc A$$Bc B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc B
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by CarlJung Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:54 am
Aphelion wrote:
I think A > B in the following diagrams
$$Bc A
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc A$$Bc B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc BYou may be right, but without giving reasons it's difficult to see why.
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by Chew Terr Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:59 am
Aphelion and Carl:
To better compare, let's look ahead a bit. Assuming that neither player wants to give a perfect extension or a double wing for free...
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc $$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Both are certainly playable, which I doubt anyone will dispute. The second option seems to focus more on territory and reduction for black, while the first has more moyo potential. So really, either are probably perfectly fine, direction-wise, depending on desired style. Any other opinions of these two positions?
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