I like these series.
Fuseki Problem
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Instead of a 118kb jpg photo, you can also consider a diagram,
which is much smaller in size and much more useful for people to add moves and variations:
You can read about making diagrams and SGF files here-- viewforum.php?f=5
which is much smaller in size and much more useful for people to add moves and variations:
You can read about making diagrams and SGF files here-- viewforum.php?f=5
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oso
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Re: Fuseki Problem
Oh. Ok, hurr. 
this problem: don't be fooled by the names. They are fictional characters. As for the diagram, I confess I don't know who actually played the game. I assume an ameteur from some go server. Why?
this problem: don't be fooled by the names. They are fictional characters. As for the diagram, I confess I don't know who actually played the game. I assume an ameteur from some go server. Why?-
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Re: Fuseki Problem
This should be sente.
Edit: I would probably play this move even if its not sente. This move is absolutely humongous as it concerns the base of two groups.
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Re: Fuseki Problem
More ideas:
Some guesses on how this position occured:
Some guesses on how this position occured:
Last edited by Aphelion on Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Fuseki Problem
I find this position really pretty hard. I'm not overly keen on C3, just because Black takes the point I want 
This is the exchange I was thinking of, now looking at a pincer at the top as well. However,
is really large too. 
@ 
doesn't really work so well in my eyes, as Black can respond at and deprive White from getting anything. This then makes a less sente point for White to take.
I'm kinda torn between one of these, but the both look bigger than anything else to me.
This is the exchange I was thinking of, now looking at a pincer at the top as well. However,
is really large too. @ doesn't really work so well in my eyes, as Black can respond at and deprive White from getting anything. This then makes a less sente point for White to take.I'm kinda torn between one of these, but the both look bigger than anything else to me.
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Re: Fuseki Problem
Topazg, its strange, because I had the same reasoning, except that C3 was the point I wanted
My reasoning:
In this diagram no White stone is wasted. Although
is big, White has perfectly fine ways to proceed locally. The marked 
exchanges however, clearly favors White. White is thick all around.
In your diagram:
1-2 exchange heavily favors White, but 3-4 exchange is in black's favor. I think White, however, has the thinnest group on the board. Its not too clear to me who is better...
My reasoning:
In this diagram no White stone is wasted. Although
is big, White has perfectly fine ways to proceed locally. The marked exchanges however, clearly favors White. White is thick all around.In your diagram:
1-2 exchange heavily favors White, but 3-4 exchange is in black's favor. I think White, however, has the thinnest group on the board. Its not too clear to me who is better...
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Re: Fuseki Problem
It's
that's bugging me about letting Black do this. The thinness in the top left feels much more "potentially disastrous" than the bottom somehow, even though White has plenty to worry about down there too.I think White's shoulder hit at D9 (if that's what it was) is just kinda bizarre
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Re: Fuseki Problem
Mmm, what do you think about this as a response to B7? Its not easy though.... I also want to draw your attention to the fact that C3 means the difference between good potential on the bottom for White vs 2 thin stones, so maybe that can compensate for the top 
I also ninja edited my original post so that D9 is now a pincer stone
Edit: Now that I look at it...I'm not sure I like the top diagram either. Maybe W can push from behind? I still feel that C3 is too big a move to give up though, especially with White having invested 3 stones on the bottom.
I also ninja edited my original post so that D9 is now a pincer stone
Edit: Now that I look at it...I'm not sure I like the top diagram either. Maybe W can push from behind? I still feel that C3 is too big a move to give up though, especially with White having invested 3 stones on the bottom.
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Re: Fuseki Problem
Do you think we could get a strong player to comment on it? I've been following with interest, and I'd like to know what maybe a dan level player would think? Any dans want to comment?
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Re: Fuseki Problem
topazg is a dan.
Anyway, I'm also kind of torn between 'a' and 'b' below.
In a sense, they feel like miai, but only if white takes it (i.e. not black). Since 'b' concerns base of white's corner group, I'm thinking it's probably the best. Black will then take 'a', and I can't decide what's best from there.
Anyway, I'm also kind of torn between 'a' and 'b' below.
In a sense, they feel like miai, but only if white takes it (i.e. not black). Since 'b' concerns base of white's corner group, I'm thinking it's probably the best. Black will then take 'a', and I can't decide what's best from there.
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Re: Fuseki Problem
I'm starting to think that D9 should be treated lightly:
If B takes gote to play at 'a', all is good, otherwise is in perfect position if White thinks its good time to take 'a' for himself.
If B takes gote to play at 'a', all is good, otherwise
is in perfect position if White thinks its good time to take 'a' for himself.-
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Re: Fuseki Problem
Yeah, I like that latest one a lot Aphelion. Of course, that makes D9 feel like a mistake somehow, even if White is treating it lightly, I'm left with the slight feeling of "what is it doing there?"
Oso, was this one of your games by any chance?
Oso, was this one of your games by any chance?