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Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:49 pm
by ZeroKun
Tried to get fired up for the Orlando tournament next month, so I started a few games on DGS. I thought this one seemed a bit early to resign, even if it lives, I'm really not that ahead right, that's my feeling given the openness of the middle section. Thanks in advanced.
http://www.dragongoserver.net/sgf.php?gid=634636
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:10 pm
by Magicwand
i hope you have learned that
dont work on that shape..
correct shape is Q2.
other than that...you played solid game for the most part.
edit: oop's you were not white
solid game for black.. white didnt have any chance for comeback. good resigne
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:12 pm
by ZeroKun
Magicwand wrote:i hope you have learned that
dont work on that shape..
correct shape is Q2.
other than that...you played solid game for the most part.
edit: oop's you were not white
lol, Yeah I thought both of us played a decent game, though in these types of games with a slightly calmer fuseki, I find it hard to grasp ideas of where to make territory. In the end I was expecting the game to last another 30 or so moves, if not to be completely finished.
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:16 pm
by Magicwand
ZeroKun wrote:Magicwand wrote:i hope you have learned that
dont work on that shape..
correct shape is Q2.
other than that...you played solid game for the most part.
edit: oop's you were not white
lol, Yeah I thought both of us played a decent game, though in these types of games with a slightly calmer fuseki, I find it hard to grasp ideas of where to make territory. In the end I was expecting the game to last another 30 or so moves, if not to be completely finished.
but..i will point out at least one problem...
shoud cut at
then the game would be simpler..
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:33 pm
by ZeroKun
Magicwand wrote:ZeroKun wrote:Magicwand wrote:i hope you have learned that
dont work on that shape..
correct shape is Q2.
other than that...you played solid game for the most part.
edit: oop's you were not white
lol, Yeah I thought both of us played a decent game, though in these types of games with a slightly calmer fuseki, I find it hard to grasp ideas of where to make territory. In the end I was expecting the game to last another 30 or so moves, if not to be completely finished.
but..i will point out at least one problem...
shoud cut at
then the game would be simpler..
I saw that, but what I wanted to prevent White from doing was gaining influence from my weakened group, I think he might end up getting a nice thickness if I played under more.
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:05 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Since white can still invade and live after
, I don't think it is a very good move. If you want the corner, P3 (the kosumi) seems better.
Re: Recent game
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:05 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Your strategic choices were iffy on occasion, but your tactical play was way better than his, paticularly in the lower center and lower right.
(;FF[4]GM[1]PC[Dragon Go Server:
http://www.dragongoserver.net/]DT[2011-03-05,2011-03-09]GN[Vincible-ZeroKun-634636-20110309]GC[Game ID: 634636, rated]PB[Jason Ruiz (ZeroKun)]PW[Jim (Vincible)]BR[6 kyu]WR[6 kyu]OT[Japanese byoyomi: 90 days + 1 day per move and 10 extra periods]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RE[B+Resign];B[qd];W[dd];B[pp];W[cq];B[oc];W[qi];B[co]C[JB: A dubious choice of joseki. It is usually chosen when black has a substantial presence on the upper side to build off of. Genreally, when white has so uniquivically chosen to be low with a 3-3, it does not profit you to contest him at being low. A high move like one of the triangled points is theoretically better in lonely corner like this.]TR[dp][dn][fp];W[ep];B[bq];W[br];B[bp]C[JB: Three black moves played for approximately 1.5 points of territory, and a miniscule bit of influence.
];W[dr];B[cl];W[iq];B[qk];W[qf];B[qm]C[JB: Small, and starting to look overconcentrated. A more enterprising move like P9 looks better here.
You are playing as if you are outnumbered and in need of eye space, wheras you have him outnumbered 5 vs 2 on the right side.]TR[ok];W[jd];B[cf];W[fc];B[bd];W[mc];B[oe];W[oh];B[mq];W[ch];B[ef];W[eh];B[cc];W[fg];B[fe];W[gd];B[kd];W[kc];B[je];W[id];B[mf];W[me];B[nf];W[ke];B[kf];W[le];B[lf];W[qq];B[qp];W[pq];B[oq];W[or];B[nr];W[op];B[nq];W[rp];B[ro];W[po];B[qo];W[dn];B[cn];W[el];B[do];W[en];B[eo];W[fo];B[fp];W[fq];B[gp];W[gq];B[go];W[fn]C[JB: These last three stones have built you a group that has no territory, no eyes, and really dubious prospects. Its sole virtue is that it has a cutting stone at F4. If he plays someting like D9, that cutting stone is almost worthless.];B[jo](;W[io]C[JB: You get lucky: he makes a contact move, which usually tends to favor the defender.];B[in];W[jn]C[JB: He makes two bad moves in a row.];B[ip];W[jp];B[ho];W[ko];B[hq];W[jr]C[
JB: A third bad move by white
*** end comments ***];B[hr];W[eq];B[io];W[kq];B[lp];W[kp];B[jm];W[km];B[kn];W[ln];B[lm];W[kl];B[ik];W[mm];B[kk];W[ml];B[jl];W[ll](;B[ek];W[fk];B[dk];W[fj];B[gl];W[fl];B[ge];W[lo];B[di];N[RESULT]C[Result: B+Resign])(;B[lo]C[JB: Start a flower-viewing ko: you risk one stone, he risks six stones plus about 10 points of associated territory.]))(;W[kp]C[JB: If he plays reasonably, you have a very weak group here.]))
Re: Recent game
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:03 am
by ZeroKun
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Your strategic choices were iffy on occasion, but your tactical play was way better than his, paticularly in the lower center and lower right.
(;FF[4]GM[1]PC[Dragon Go Server:
http://www.dragongoserver.net/]DT[2011-03-05,2011-03-09]GN[Vincible-ZeroKun-634636-20110309]GC[Game ID: 634636, rated]PB[Jason Ruiz (ZeroKun)]PW[Jim (Vincible)]BR[6 kyu]WR[6 kyu]OT[Japanese byoyomi: 90 days + 1 day per move and 10 extra periods]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RE[B+Resign];B[qd];W[dd];B[pp];W[cq];B[oc];W[qi];B[co]C[JB: A dubious choice of joseki. It is usually chosen when black has a substantial presence on the upper side to build off of. Genreally, when white has so uniquivically chosen to be low with a 3-3, it does not profit you to contest him at being low. A high move like one of the triangled points is theoretically better in lonely corner like this.]TR[dp][dn][fp];W[ep];B[bq];W[br];B[bp]C[JB: Three black moves played for approximately 1.5 points of territory, and a miniscule bit of influence.
];W[dr];B[cl];W[iq];B[qk];W[qf];B[qm]C[JB: Small, and starting to look overconcentrated. A more enterprising move like P9 looks better here.
You are playing as if you are outnumbered and in need of eye space, wheras you have him outnumbered 5 vs 2 on the right side.]TR[ok];W[jd];B[cf];W[fc];B[bd];W[mc];B[oe];W[oh];B[mq];W[ch];B[ef];W[eh];B[cc];W[fg];B[fe];W[gd];B[kd];W[kc];B[je];W[id];B[mf];W[me];B[nf];W[ke];B[kf];W[le];B[lf];W[qq];B[qp];W[pq];B[oq];W[or];B[nr];W[op];B[nq];W[rp];B[ro];W[po];B[qo];W[dn];B[cn];W[el];B[do];W[en];B[eo];W[fo];B[fp];W[fq];B[gp];W[gq];B[go];W[fn]C[JB: These last three stones have built you a group that has no territory, no eyes, and really dubious prospects. Its sole virtue is that it has a cutting stone at F4. If he plays someting like D9, that cutting stone is almost worthless.];B[jo](;W[io]C[JB: You get lucky: he makes a contact move, which usually tends to favor the defender.];B[in];W[jn]C[JB: He makes two bad moves in a row.];B[ip];W[jp];B[ho];W[ko];B[hq];W[jr]C[
JB: A third bad move by white
*** end comments ***];B[hr];W[eq];B[io];W[kq];B[lp];W[kp];B[jm];W[km];B[kn];W[ln];B[lm];W[kl];B[ik];W[mm];B[kk];W[ml];B[jl];W[ll](;B[ek];W[fk];B[dk];W[fj];B[gl];W[fl];B[ge];W[lo];B[di];N[RESULT]C[Result: B+Resign])(;B[lo]C[JB: Start a flower-viewing ko: you risk one stone, he risks six stones plus about 10 points of associated territory.]))(;W[kp]C[JB: If he plays reasonably, you have a very weak group here.]))
Thanks, I really don't have that much experience playing, I've spent most of my Go life just watching games, probably why I usually end up clueless as where to go next. I pretty much knew from playing those 3 stones in the middle that I'd have a hard time afterwards, but I'm glad it worked out this time. I usually fear thickness/influence because I usually end up getting creamed by it often and don't really know how to counteract it, that's why I chose to play like that in that area.