Life In 19x19

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 2:04 pm**

This was a very fun game, as I've said numerous times already (lol). And I already know I played this game pretty fast. Still a habit I need to break. This game was with Cyclops. I'm not sure I could've won without the 2 stones.

Actually, looking back, I feel confident I should have lost this game.

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 4:20 pm**

Some comments. No guarantees

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 4:21 pm**

Some guarantees : no comments

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 5:28 pm**

Tryphon wrote:Some guarantees : no comments

Ha ha ha.

Posted: **Thu May 12, 2011 5:34 pm**

Redundant wrote:Some comments. No guarantees

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.00]TM[2700]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[mokum]PB[hailthorn]BR[10k]DT[2011-05-12]PC[The KGS Go Server at <a class="postlink" href="http://www.gokgs.com/">http://www.gokgs.com/</a>]AB[pd][dp]RE[B+6.00]
;W[qq]WL[2696.918]C[hailthorn [10k]: gg]
;B[dd]BL[2694.88]
;W[fc]WL[2679.591]
;B[cf]BL[2685.845]
;W[nc]WL[2673.871]
(;B[dj]BL[2683.255]C[see var]
;W[fq]WL[2667.33]
;B[cn]BL[2679.986]
;W[qf]WL[2653.466]
(;B[oe]BL[2673.343]
;W[qc]WL[2646.813]
;B[qd]BL[2671.856]
;W[pc]WL[2644.191]
(;B[qh]BL[2669.97]C[Seems odd]
;W[pg]WL[2639.394]
;B[oh]BL[2668.213]C[Too thin.]
(;W[me]WL[2610.874]
;B[nd]BL[2660.872]
;W[md]WL[2606.962]
;B[mc]BL[2656.982]
;W[ne]WL[2593.933]
;B[od]BL[2655.036]
;W[oc]WL[2593.065]
;B[of]BL[2653.493]
;W[lc]WL[2588.056]
;B[po]BL[2641.986]
;W[nq]WL[2575.101]
;B[oq]BL[2637.813]
;W[or]WL[2572.139]
;B[pq]BL[2635.007]
;W[pr]WL[2570.494]
;B[qp]BL[2634.182]
;W[np]WL[2538.566]
;B[pl]BL[2626.785]
;W[oo]WL[2535.459]
;B[pp]BL[2624.958]
;W[og]WL[2463.631]
;B[ng]BL[2609.718]
;W[ph]WL[2461.281]
;B[pi]BL[2598.607]
;W[oi]WL[2444.915]
;B[qi]BL[2596.577]
;W[nh]WL[2442.32]
;B[rf]BL[2589.865]
;W[rg]WL[2429.845]
;B[qg]BL[2586.498]
;W[re]WL[2426.094]
;B[pf]BL[2582.597]
;W[sf]WL[2398.36]
;B[oh]BL[2578.737]C[mokum [?]: ggmokum [?]: oopshailthorn [10k]: n_n;]
;W[ok]WL[2356.052]
;B[ol]BL[2572.847]
;W[pj]WL[2353.26]
;B[qj]BL[2567.464]
;W[mi]WL[2334.415]
;B[hd]BL[2557.172]
;W[ef]WL[2329.388]
;B[fd]BL[2552.72]
;W[hb]WL[2326.876]
;B[fh]BL[2548.551]
;W[cc]WL[2322.293]
;B[dc]BL[2546.243]
;W[db]WL[2320.415]
;B[eb]BL[2543.39]
;W[cb]WL[2319.12]
;B[ec]BL[2540.008]
;W[be]WL[2316.767]
;B[bf]BL[2537.066]
;W[ce]WL[2314.444]
;B[de]BL[2536.187]
;W[df]WL[2313.006]
(;B[bd]BL[2532.763]C[see var]
;W[cd]WL[2305.814]
;B[ch]BL[2530.296]
;W[af]WL[2293.257]
;B[bg]BL[2527.079]
;W[cq]WL[2286.251]C[See var]
(;B[cp]BL[2524.855]
;W[dq]WL[2284.484]
;B[ag]BL[2519.262]
;W[bc]WL[2267.522]
;B[ae]BL[2515.771]
;W[ad]WL[2265.638]
;B[gc]BL[2512.669]
;W[gb]WL[2238.612]
;B[fb]BL[2483.659]
;W[ge]WL[2234.233]
;B[ff]BL[2473.349]
;W[cl]WL[2217.402]
;B[dl]BL[2466.641]
;W[bo]WL[2216.508]
;B[bn]BL[2465.007]
;W[co]WL[2214.938]
;B[do]BL[2464.356]
;W[bp]WL[2212.97]
;B[bq]BL[2460.602]
;W[br]WL[2206.745]
;B[ao]BL[2459.191]
;W[aq]WL[2203.912]
;B[dm]BL[2457.354]
;W[ei]WL[2188.188]
;B[eh]BL[2454.69]
;W[di]WL[2182.724]
;B[ci]BL[2447.75]
;W[ek]WL[2176.415]
;B[ej]BL[2445.385]
;W[fi]WL[2173.961]
;B[fj]BL[2444.188]
;W[gi]WL[2172.617]
;B[dh]BL[2442.855]
;W[gh]WL[2159.99]
;B[gg]BL[2434.209]
;W[gj]WL[2156.117]
;B[fk]BL[2431.849]
;W[gl]WL[2147.183]
(;B[gn]BL[2417.669]C[See var]
;W[hp]WL[2132.219]
;B[in]BL[2415.722]
;W[rn]WL[2105.799]
;B[qn]BL[2388.265]
;W[rp]WL[2099.255]
(;B[rm]BL[2386.399]C[see var]
;W[ro]WL[2093.828]
;B[rd]BL[2382.488]
;W[sd]WL[2086.192]
(;B[sc]BL[2378.621]C[See var]
;W[rc]WL[2085.269]
;B[se]BL[2377.057]
;W[qm]WL[2064.095]
;B[ql]BL[2364.589]
;W[pm]WL[2062.154]
;B[om]BL[2359.814]
;W[rl]WL[2055.178]
;B[sm]BL[2353.263]
;W[sd]WL[2031.883]
;B[jc]BL[2250.543]
;W[sb]WL[2025.239]
;B[lb]BL[2245.269]
;W[mb]WL[2022.286]
;B[kb]BL[2243.335]
;W[mg]WL[1970.071]
;B[jp]BL[2234.036]
;W[io]WL[1959.342]
;B[jo]BL[2232.269]
;W[jn]WL[1958.212]
(;B[ho]BL[2229.87]
;W[ip]WL[1955.87]
;B[kn]BL[2228.666]
;W[jm]WL[1954.115]
;B[mn]BL[2223.799]
;W[lo]WL[1944.766]
;B[ln]BL[2221.408]
;W[ko]WL[1943.024]
;B[mo]BL[2216.873]
;W[on]WL[1913.486]
;B[mm]BL[2208.688]
;W[jq]WL[1881.89]
;B[pn]BL[2205.652]C[mokum [?]: thought you missed ithailthorn [10k]: I almost did lolhailthorn [10k]: I figured you'd have taken them]
;W[jk]WL[1816.263]
;B[ig]BL[2196.255]
;W[je]WL[1811.944]
;B[ie]BL[2194.564]
;W[go]WL[1767.447]
;B[fn]BL[2186.58]
;W[hn]WL[1764.04]
;B[lp]BL[2182.328]
;W[kp]WL[1761.712]
;B[mp]BL[2179.929]
;W[el]WL[1740.477]
;B[fl]BL[2175.234]
;W[en]WL[1738.631]
;B[eo]BL[2170.648]
;W[fo]WL[1733.782]
;B[em]BL[2167.329]
;W[fm]WL[1722.061]
(;B[dn]BL[2159.341]C[See var. End of comments.]
;W[gm]WL[1718.958]
;B[en]BL[2157.864]
;W[ml]WL[1690.848]
;B[nl]BL[2152.358]
;W[jh]WL[1657.555]
;B[jg]BL[2147.762]
;W[ih]WL[1655.22]
;B[kg]BL[2146.102]
;W[kh]WL[1648.546]
;B[ll]BL[2145.076]
;W[mk]WL[1646.087]
;B[lk]BL[2143.785]
;W[lj]WL[1635.269]
;B[nk]BL[2141.069]
;W[nj]WL[1632.65]
;B[mj]BL[2138.713]
;W[mk]WL[1613.367]
;B[ke]BL[2133.032]
;W[lq]WL[1594.605]
;B[mq]BL[2126.811]
;W[mr]WL[1592.443]
;B[no]BL[2120.18]
;W[op]WL[1578.924]
;B[nn]BL[2118.334]
;W[nr]WL[1575.737]
;B[rh]BL[2111.928]C[mokum [?]: good movehailthorn [10k]: ty]
;W[kd]WL[1461.582]
;B[jd]BL[2107.034]
;W[kf]WL[1456.183]
;B[jf]BL[2098.13]
;W[lf]WL[1448.248]
;B[hm]BL[2097.409]
;W[im]WL[1443.469]
;B[gk]BL[2096.148]
;W[hl]WL[1439.366]
;B[hk]BL[2094.694]
;W[hg]WL[1415.947]
;B[hf]BL[2090.329]
;W[lg]WL[1385.681]
;B[hh]BL[1989.052]C[mokum [?]: good]
;W[hi]WL[1377.58]
;B[ii]BL[1977.582]
;W[hg]WL[1371.625]
;B[rq]BL[1974.012]
;W[qr]WL[1363.135]
;B[hh]BL[1971.545]
;W[dk]WL[1302.76]
;B[ck]BL[1925.392]
;W[hg]WL[1297.325]
;B[il]BL[1919.164]
;W[hh]WL[1275.702]
;B[hm]BL[1917.183]
;W[gf]WL[1271.471]
;B[fg]BL[1910.101]
;W[he]WL[1257.645]
;B[if]BL[1908.465]
;W[ij]WL[1220.695]
;B[kk]BL[1897.458]
;W[kj]WL[1215.622]
;B[jl]BL[1894.558]
;W[km]WL[1208.194]
;B[ik]BL[1885.52]
;W[nf]WL[1167.718]
;B[sq]BL[1851.317]
;W[rr]WL[1161.588]
;B[so]BL[1845.389]
;W[sp]WL[1107.015]
;B[sn]BL[1839]
;W[sr]WL[1102.99]
;B[ep]BL[1834.983]
;W[eq]WL[1098.057]
;B[kc]BL[1831.197]
;W[le]WL[1089.963]
;B[je]BL[1828.145]C[mtthw [1k?]: mokum, let me know if you feel up to playing another game]
;W[la]WL[1066.979]
;B[ka]BL[1815.769]
;W[ma]WL[1063.459]
;B[gd]BL[1806.017]
;W[ap]WL[1046.116]
;B[ld]BL[1799.938]
;W[mc]WL[1041.535]
;B[an]BL[1797.451]
;W[jj]WL[1022.141]
;B[ml]BL[1793.547]
;W[mj]WL[1018.22]
;B[pk]BL[1792.797]
;W[oj]WL[1016.612]
;B[qe]BL[1788.675]
;W[rf]WL[1012.567]
;B[sh]BL[1787.331]
;W[sc]WL[992.849]
;B[sg]BL[1785.813]
;W[se]WL[991.096]
;B[og]BL[1783.284]
;W[ea]WL[969.556]
;B[fa]BL[1780.346]
;W[da]WL[968.113]
;B[fp]BL[1762.248]
;W[gp]WL[967.202]
;B[hj]BL[1730.066]
;W[kl]WL[948.19]
;B[af]BL[1722.622]
;W[]WL[917.929]
;B[]BL[1722.621]TW[aa][ba][ca][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][ac][bd][mf][lh][mh][ii][ji][ki][li][ni][in][ho][jo][jp][bq][gq][hq][iq][kq][rq][sq][ar][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[ga][ha][ia][ja][gb][hb][ib][jb][fc][hc][ic][ed][id][ee][fe][ge][he][pe][df][ef][gf][cg][dg][eg][pg][ah][bh][ph][ai][bi][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][rj][sj][ak][bk][dk][ek][qk][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][el][gl][hl][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][fm][gm][nm][pm][qm]C[hailthorn [10k]: That game was hard lolmokum [?]: gghailthorn [10k]: Thank you for the gamemokum [?]: you played well, I thought I was behind all the timehailthorn [10k]: It wasn't easyhailthorn [10k]: You play greatmokum [?]: no, but I kept blaming myself for my stupid moves, i didnt see yoursmokum [?]: well, are you going to pass the score?hailthorn [10k]: Yeshailthorn [10k]: Er, post it?mokum [?]: PM it to the tounament masterhailthorn [10k]: -_- we missed a ko lolmokum [?]: yeah, i saw it. Too smallhailthorn [10k]: But yes, I will])
(;B[gm]
;W[hm]
;B[dn]))
(;B[im]
;W[kn]
(;B[hq]
;W[gp])
(;B[lh]
;W[mh]
;B[kj]C[g11 is in trouble])))
(;B[rc]C[white is dead, as r15 and s12 are miai]))
(;B[rq]))
(;B[gk]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]))
(;B[dq]
;W[dr]
;B[cp]
;W[br]
;B[bq]
;W[cr]))
(;B[ch]
;W[ss]
;B[ae]
(;W[bd]
;B[da]
;W[bb]
;B[ac])
(;W[ac]
;B[da]
;W[ba]
;B[ab]
;W[bb]
;B[bd])))
(;W[ph]
;B[pi]
;W[qi]))
(;B[md])
(;B[pg]))
(;B[pf]C[Worth considering. ]))
(;B[jd])
(;B[kd]))

Thank you for the review. You pointed out a lot of things that make sense. And it was quite easy to understand, too. Hopefully these are things I'll start to remember.

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2011 1:58 pm**

Move 12 is not joseki: you need a pincer stone for it to be joseki. Joseki is q13 or n16

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2011 3:11 pm**

Shaddy wrote:Move 12 is not joseki: you need a pincer stone for it to be joseki.

Yeah, looks like 85% or more of the time when pros play that there's a stone somewhere along the side:

Shaddy wrote:Joseki is q13 or n16

Agree, that seems to be played when there's no pincer:

Also, this is played occasionally when there's no pincer:

Posted: **Sat May 14, 2011 7:30 am**

Thx for the comments so far. Mostly concerning black.
Hailthorn deserved his victory. He punished my many errors very well, most of the time. I still would like to get some comments on my play in this game. In the sgf I included some lessons I learnt already from this game. All comments are welcome.

Posted: **Sat May 14, 2011 9:05 am**

Some more comments, focused mostly on white:

hailthorn-cyclops.sgf: (10.65 KiB) Downloaded 482 times

Posted: **Sat May 14, 2011 4:49 pm**

Thx Herman,

Many lessons learnt!
- 1,2,3 principle
- being more optimistic to avoid reckless moves
- keep concentrated in the endgame, play your own speed.

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