Study of Recent Mini/Micro Chinese Innovations

[Alakazam]

Hello all

I am deeply interested in studying and learning everything there is to know about all mini and micro chinese openings played in pro games.
I know a thing or two about the first sort of set of variations from Mini Chinese, including also some micro chinese stuff, and I have those 2st century new openings books from Kim sung-rae (at least the two I know of, one blue one and one red one).

What I'm particularly interested in are the variations from 2011, though also some 2010 I guess. SOme might be filed under Chinese opening, as I've recently seen some in which black approaches white's 4-4 on move 5 when the 3-4 corner from which he approached (the other side) is not i nthe mini chinese, but the chinese position (3-4 stone on the same Y-axis point as the approach move of move 5). After white defends the corner, black does not make a kobayashi formation or other such defense of his approach stone, but switched far o nthe other side into a chinese opening formation (But one closer, like micro, although this is confusing because it is not the micro chinese opening, though the stone is in micro position...)

Intersections:

Move 1 - 16-16
Move 2 (White) - 4-16
Move 3 - 16-3
Move 4 - 4-4
Move 5 - 6-3
Move 6 - 3-6
Move 7 - 17-8

So I ask, how can I access as much material as possible on this? I want all studied variations, some pro games hopefully, or any website that explains it all in detail.

I really think a pro should write a book on this one, it would sell...

[emeraldemon]

I can highly recommend GoGoD, I use it a lot for studying pro openings. Actually I need to get the newer version, mine's starting to get old, so I don't have any 2011 mini-chinese. That said, there were a few played in 2010 you might find interesting:

http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/wr/8cl2-5.sgf

Here's a slightly unusual high variation, almost a hybrid mini-chinese kobayashi:

http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/wr/8cl1-7.sgf

Are you also interested in pincer-denials, like this one?

http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/wr/8cl2-2.sgf

[Alakazam]

Thanks. How do I get gogod? do i have to buy it?

I'm especially interested in 1: explanations and standardized variations, 2: 2011 variations.

Thanks! I did find one or two of those games pretty interesting though.

[emeraldemon]

http://www.gogod.co.uk/

[Solomon]

Intersections:

Move 1 - 16-16
Move 2 (White) - 4-16
Move 3 - 16-3
Move 4 - 4-4
Move 5 - 6-3
Move 6 - 3-6
Move 7 - 17-8

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[Alakazam]

Yep. This is one of the ones i meant...

[Marcus]

The first game like this I saw was the 2010 Fujitsu Cup Final, which you can find posted here.

I believe you're most likely to find what you need by purchasing the newest edition of GoGoD, though. While I haven't (yet) convinced my wife to let me buy it, the product is definitely useful (from what I've seen of it in others' uses).

[ez4u]

Hello all

I am deeply interested in studying and learning everything there is to know about all mini and micro chinese openings played in pro games...

So I ask, how can I access as much material as possible on this? I want all studied variations, some pro games hopefully, or any website that explains it all in detail.

...

While GoGoD has the game records, it does not have the analysis. I am not aware of anywhere that does. Cho Hye-yeon was posting some interesting stuff on her blog, but she suddenly stopped at the end of 2009. It would be interesting to know whether there are any Korean sites that post analyses by pros. I have the impression that Korean pros study current games together more than Japanese pros.

I happen to know Rin Shien quite well (cough, cough, go drinking with a lot, cough, cough). He is a member of Rin Kaiho's monthly study group and I recently asked him about it. He replied that they spend essentially all their time playing games among themselves and then analyzing those games. The meme among pros in Japan is still very much that you only succeed by improving your Go. They look at top games going on in the world by themselves, but not really with the intent of performing thorough analysis in order to find specific variations to take over into their own games. As a result, it seems like no one in Japan is producing what we might think of as in-depth analyses - certainly not for public consumption.