Kombilo 0.7.1

ugoertz · Post by **ugoertz** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:36 pm

Hello,

there is a new Kombilo version which includes some small fixes and, mainly, comes with a Windows installer. Read more: http://u-go.net/kombilo/.

Reports about bugs/problems (and success stories) are welcome!

Best regards

Ulrich

daal · Post by **daal** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:10 pm

Just a quick first-impression comment: The new interface is a significant improvement over the old version, and the searches seem to run a good deal faster. I'm looking forward to trying it out more extensively. Thanks!

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:00 pm

Hi, thanks for the update on a great program.

mw42 · Post by **mw42** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:29 am

When editing a .sgf file the ctrl click functionality does not work on the the top row (19th rank). I installed Kombilo using the Windows executable.

ugoertz · Post by **ugoertz** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:16 pm

mw42 wrote:When editing a .sgf file the ctrl click functionality does not work on the the top row (19th rank). I installed Kombilo using the Windows executable.

Ouch. Thanks for the report. Will be fixed in version 0.7.2, probably some time next week.

Best,

Ulrich

TMark · Post by **TMark** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:03 am

I am a fairly heavy user and I did twenty or so searches and wanted to clear them from the system, so I chose complete reset. Unfortunately, it seems to only clear about 3 or 4 of the previous searches, so I had to do it several times.

Best wishes.

stalkor · Post by **stalkor** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:26 am

for the updates, but just a suggestion, dont make a new thread for every small version update:)

daal · Post by **daal** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:01 am

stalkor wrote::tmbup: for the updates, but just a suggestion, dont make a new thread for every small version update:)

AFAIK, this is the first update for the Windows version since I started playing go 600 years ago.

ugoertz · Post by **ugoertz** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:56 am

TMark wrote:I am a fairly heavy user and I did twenty or so searches and wanted to clear them from the system, so I chose complete reset. Unfortunately, it seems to only clear about 3 or 4 of the previous searches, so I had to do it several times.

Best wishes.

Thanks for the report. Will be fixed, I hope, in 0.7.2.

@stalkor: Thanks for the "thumbs up". I won't open threads for bugfix releases, but I thought the Windows installer will be of interest for many people. Maybe I should have mentioned it in the title.

Best regards,

Ulrich

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:20 pm

Hi Ulrich,

Thanks for the update. It is greatly appreciated! A few comments naturally. :-)

Database -> Export search results
1. The diagrams have lost the extra spaces between the dots so they are hard to read (this is OK in -> Export current position).
2. The first search results use capital letters (A, B, C) rather than small letters (a, b, c), which is the reverse of version 0.5. As a result, the search results can not be cut and pasted into L19 or SL since capitals have special meanings.
For example:

3. The total result line under Statistics is missing.
4. Version 0.7 and 0.5 give me slightly different results. This may be due to the handling of a single game in GoGoD - 1998-04-21a - between Rui Naiwei and Jiang Zhujiu. It was the world's first game of environmental go. It began with 13 passes. When I search on the empty board (to obtain the starting set of even games played on an empty board), both 0.5 and 0.7 report a total of 65,527 matches (GoGoD Christmas 2011 edition). However in the table listing next moves, 0.7 appears to count the environmental game 14 times and reports 17 games with W 4-4 as the first play. Meanwhile 0.5 does not report the game at all and shows only 3 games (yes, GoGoD contains 12 even games that show White playing the first stone!). As a result, the detailed listing for 0.7 totals to 65,540 games while that of 0.5 totals to 65,526 games. So both lists are incorrect. :blackeye:

Date Profile
This is a great addition. I have spent the last few months working on this manually in excel. However, it should be part of the Export search results file instead. Working with GoGoD (at least) the granularity needs to be higher than it is possible to show in the lower right corner area. There are other issues as well. For example...

In order to create the graph shown here, I rearranged the directories in GoGoD to give the periods that I wanted to use. I do not know how an automated selection can give an effective result for all queries. In addition, here I used all even games as the denominator. In another analysis we might want all games, all games starting with B1 on 3-4, or all games with a taisha joseki as the denominator. It would be wonderful to select a query as the "base case" for further analysis and produce statistics based on that. What do you think? :rambo:

ugoertz · Post by **ugoertz** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:34 am

Hi Dave,

thanks for the detailed feedback.

ez4u wrote:Database -> Export search results
1. The diagrams have lost the extra spaces between the dots so they are hard to read (this is OK in -> Export current position).

Will be fixed in 0.7.2.

2. The first search results use capital letters (A, B, C) rather than small letters (a, b, c), which is the reverse of version 0.5. As a result, the search results can not be cut and pasted into L19 or SL since capitals have special meanings.

I will put the option to use lower case labels back in the Options/Advanced menu in 0.7.2. Currently, if you want to use it, you could edit the kombilo.cfg file (set uppercaseLabels to 0), see http://dl.u-go.net/kombilo/doc/manual.html#the-kombilo-cfg-configuration-file. You should edit this file when Kombilo is not running.

3. The total result line under Statistics is missing.

Fixed in 0.7.2.

4. Version 0.7 and 0.5 give me slightly different results. This may be due to the handling of a single game in GoGoD - 1998-04-21a - between Rui Naiwei and Jiang Zhujiu. It was the world's first game of environmental go. It began with 13 passes. When I search on the empty board (to obtain the starting set of even games played on an empty board), both 0.5 and 0.7 report a total of 65,527 matches (GoGoD Christmas 2011 edition). However in the table listing next moves, 0.7 appears to count the environmental game 14 times and reports 17 games with W 4-4 as the first play. Meanwhile 0.5 does not report the game at all and shows only 3 games (yes, GoGoD contains 12 even games that show White playing the first stone!). As a result, the detailed listing for 0.7 totals to 65,540 games while that of 0.5 totals to 65,526 games. So both lists are incorrect.

This is really a question in which way continuations are recognized. In some sense, this environmental game has several empty board positions where the next "real" move (not pass) is W 4-4. From another point of view, the pass is a continuation which Kombilo (0.5) does not consider.

Since environmental go did not really become popular, I decided that for now other things are more important. (There is a note in the documentation.)

You should be able to reproduce the Kombilo 0.5 behavior by disabling the "hashing" algorithms in the search options.

Date Profile
This is a great addition. I have spent the last few months working on this manually in excel. However, it should be part of the Export search results file instead. Working with GoGoD (at least) the granularity needs to be higher than it is possible to show in the lower right corner area. [...]

In another analysis we might want all games, all games starting with B1 on 3-4, or all games with a taisha joseki as the denominator. It would be wonderful to select a query as the "base case" for further analysis and produce statistics based on that. What do you think?

Your graph is impressive. I also have been thinking about a good way to expand the Date profile function in Kombilo. Right now, you can already "do it yourself" by using a Python script. You could check out the sgftree.py script. Here is an example output file of this script: http://dl.u-go.net/facing-nirensei.sgf. But of course this will require some learning, unless you are already familiar with Python.

I expect to add an interface to this script to Kombilo itself in version 0.8. I will also add the date profile to the "Export search results" function.

Best

Ulrich

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:21 am

Is there any way to speed up (even a little!) kombilo's start up time? In my Mac it takes 1 minute 50 seconds to start up the graphical mode, and then 50 seconds to load the database (this part is no problem, but almost 2 minutes to start it's odd, maybe something wrong in my side)

ugoertz · Post by **ugoertz** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:39 am

RBerenguel wrote:Is there any way to speed up (even a little!) kombilo's start up time? In my Mac it takes 1 minute 50 seconds to start up the graphical mode, and then 50 seconds to load the database (this part is no problem, but almost 2 minutes to start it's odd, maybe something wrong in my side)

That's very weird. The Kombilo window should come up immediately. Loading the databases will take some time, depending on their size and the speed of your hard disk. So the second part sounds about normal, but the first one I do not understand. I will try to find out some more about this (but without a Mac at hand it might be hard).

Best,

Ulrich

RBerenguel · Post by **RBerenguel** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:40 am

If you know how I can get some profiling working let me know and I'll look into it. Of course in a Mac the X system has to launch, but today I had it already opened, so this does not look like the issue.

Laman · Post by **Laman** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:58 am

regarding the database loading at startup, was the implementation in 0.5 the same as it is now in 0.7? i don't use kombilo often, but i think that the start was faster (instant), of course for the price of slow lookups.

if there is a workaround / other setting i don't know about, please tell me and excuse my ignorance

otherwise the most comfortable solution for a user would be a fast start with the database loading in the background and finished during the first query (resp. before it, but with a waiting query already enqueued), if not earlier. but i realize this might not be the easiest thing from the programmer's point of view, so take it just as an suggestion

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