How terrible am I at reading!! :)

jms · Post by **jms** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:21 pm

This was a game from this evening on KGS. I was maybe not feeling the sharpest, and so didn't read things through that well, but would appreciate some comments on where I need to put in more work. I feel my Tesuji skills are very poor, but my worst skills are in fighting..

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:54 pm

mogosoup · Post by **mogosoup** » Wed May 16, 2012 6:23 pm

I'm not sure but I think 15 was a joseki error on Black's part.

See this

Black is cut in two and one group is under heavy attack (or maybe even dead)?

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:19 pm

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This is the one I usually use. If I just need to connect to the original stone, I use the below:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Punishment $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O 2 . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 4 X X 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:44 pm

mogosoup wrote:Black is cut in two and one group is under heavy attack (or maybe even dead)?

No, your cut is too soon for W. See vars.

mogosoup · Post by **mogosoup** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:13 pm

EdLee wrote:
mogosoup wrote:Black is cut in two and one group is under heavy attack (or maybe even dead)?
No, your cut is too soon for W. See vars.

(;CA[Windows-1252]VW[]ST[0]RU[Japanese]GM[1]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.010]
SZ[19]FF[4]DT[2012-05-16]KM[0.5]HA[0]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[pd];W[nc];B[lc];W[qc];B[pc];W[qd]
(;B[qe]C[See var.]
(;W[pe]C[mogosoup, this cut is too soon. W cannot get a good result after this. See vars.]
;B[qb];W[rb];B[pb];W[re];B[qf];W[rf]
(;B[qg]C[See var.];W[oe])
(;B[oe];W[pf];B[qg];W[of];B[ra];W[rc];B[qi];W[rg];B[rh];W[ph];B[qh];W[sg];B[nd]
LB[pf:a]C[B is OK, and W now has a weak group (a).]))
(;W[qb]C[One continuation for W.];B[pe];W[pb])
(;W[pb]C[Another continuation for W.];B[ob];W[qb];B[oc];W[qf]C[Clamp.];B[re]C[Only move for B if B wants to fight.]
;W[pe];B[rf]C[Only move if B wants to fight.];W[qg]))
(;B[pe];W[pb];B[ob];W[qb];B[oc];W[qf]C[Joseki.]))

I now understand that the cut is too early, but black's hane is also too early right? Is variation 2 in your diagram better?

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu May 17, 2012 2:56 am

mogosoup,

extend at Q15 is joseki, as mentioned in the SGF.

jms · Post by **jms** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Thanks - very helpful. I clearly messed up that corner!

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