An argument for late night study/play sessions?

For lessons, as well as threads about specific moves, and anything else worth studying.
Post Reply
Boidhre
Oza
Posts: 2356
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:15 pm
GD Posts: 0
Universal go server handle: Boidhre
Location: Ireland
Has thanked: 661 times
Been thanked: 442 times

An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by Boidhre »

http://www.scientificamerican.com/podca ... e-12-03-24

A study, only one as far as I can make out, looked at memory retention based on time of day the information was learned. It found that subjects retained the information much better if they learned it closer to bed time than in the morning. So is this an argument for tsumego in the morning, theory in the evening? :)

Anyway, I found it interesting outside of anything go related.

Edit: I'm fully aware of the weakness of the analogy of simple information and complex information like go theory!
Bill Spight
Honinbo
Posts: 10905
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:24 pm
Has thanked: 3651 times
Been thanked: 3373 times

Re: An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by Bill Spight »

Interesting. :) When I learned some of this stuff, nobody had found any effect of sleep on learning. One thing they apparently did not control for in this reseaerch is whether people were early birds or night owls. (More people are night owls. Perhaps night owls learn better at night, early birds in the morning.) Also what about the effect of naps during the day?

Also, FWIW, I used to read in bed. When I fell asleep reading, I would have no memory of the last 2-3 pages I had read. If sleep enhances learning, how come? ;)
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.
nyuubi
Dies in gote
Posts: 67
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:01 pm
GD Posts: 0
Been thanked: 4 times

Re: An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by nyuubi »

Bill Spight wrote:Also, FWIW, I used to read in bed. When I fell asleep reading, I would have no memory of the last 2-3 pages I had read. If sleep enhances learning, how come? ;)



You don't remember the last minutes before sleep. It's got something to do with the fact that your brain is in a transitory state, but it's been years since I studied this so I can't remember the details. You should be able to find this information on the internets.

And sleep doesn't enhance learning, but some argue that it helps with retention. For example. If you have a nap after a study session, some argue that during the nap/sleep memory is crystallized. I don't know whether this is true or not, but I think it's a plausible theory.
User avatar
ez4u
Oza
Posts: 2414
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 pm
Rank: Jp 6 dan
GD Posts: 0
KGS: ez4u
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Has thanked: 2351 times
Been thanked: 1332 times

Re: An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by ez4u »

Bill Spight wrote:Interesting. :) ...

Also, FWIW, I used to read in bed. When I fell asleep reading, I would have no memory of the last 2-3 pages I had read. If sleep enhances learning, how come? ;)

Hmmm... If you had no memory of them how do you know you read them, as opposed to perhaps dreaming that you read them? :blackeye:
Dave Sigaty
"Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..."
- Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
Bill Spight
Honinbo
Posts: 10905
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:24 pm
Has thanked: 3651 times
Been thanked: 3373 times

Re: An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by Bill Spight »

ez4u wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:Interesting. :) ...

Also, FWIW, I used to read in bed. When I fell asleep reading, I would have no memory of the last 2-3 pages I had read. If sleep enhances learning, how come? ;)

Hmmm... If you had no memory of them how do you know you read them, as opposed to perhaps dreaming that you read them? :blackeye:


I would wake up with the light on and the book open to a page I had no memory of reading, that was a page or two ahead of where I remembered. It is true that I might have just turned the page or pages in my sleep. ;) I also had the experience of writing in my journal while falling asleep and having no memory of what I had written. ;)
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.
User avatar
cyclops
Lives in sente
Posts: 801
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 3:38 pm
Rank: KGS 7 kyu forever
GD Posts: 460
Location: Amsterdam (NL)
Has thanked: 353 times
Been thanked: 107 times
Contact:

Re: An argument for late night study/play sessions?

Post by cyclops »

Sometimes when I read the newspaper I have no idea what I have just been reading. I have to reread the last sentences. It happens mostly when I am tired, had a glass too many, the article is boring, my mind is wandering or when I pretend to be listening to my wife during reading. Reading unconsciously I would call it. Maybe likewise happens to you, Bill, as well.
Post Reply