#171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:59 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X 1 X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:22 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . 2 X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X 1 X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:59 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 3 X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger if you play as above:

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:15 pm

Trigger accepted.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The Intrepid · Post by **The Intrepid** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:35 pm

Looks like White should have first exchanged 3 for 4 before playing 5.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X b . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 4 O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 1 X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . 5 X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That way, "a" would not be sente for Black, so White could still hope to play the ladder breaker at "b" at some point.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:48 pm

First thought: if I capture, Black can't atari.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm94 B97 takes the ko $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . 5 2 O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 1 O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm94 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 1 O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:43 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm94 W98 connects $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . 9 8 . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . 1 O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . 6 4 3 O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . 2 O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I connect, there is the atari and squeeze, but White gets pleasant shenanigans. I believe Black 101 leaves Black dead.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm94 W98 Connects $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , 9 . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . 1 O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . 6 4 3 O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . 2 O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I believe this Black 101 leaves Black with a way out, but I've exhausted my tolerance for diagrams.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:46 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O X O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 7 O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:53 pm

Will definitely have to think a bit more about this one, coming home tired due to work. I will respond before the end of this week.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:55 pm

No worries.

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:12 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's extremely unclear what I would play at this point. There's a very high branching factor.

I wonder if he's counting. I think that the forcing moves that White gets will be very nice if Black doesn't play at :b95:

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:41 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm88 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . | $$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . X X O X X X . . | $$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O . O X O O O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O O O X O . . . | $$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . | $$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:21 am

hyperpape · Post by **hyperpape** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:57 pm

I know I play incredibly slowly regardless, but this week has been incredibly busy. I should be able to make a move Monday or Tuesday.

illluck · Post by **illluck** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:47 am

Don't worry about it at all - I've been pretty busy too so my responses will be slow too

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