skydyr wrote:It's not the best example, but consider the board with some bog-standard black moves added elsewhere:
Who got more with their three moves?
Bear in mind that to make the entire bottom territory, black would have had to spend several moves there as well, and white would still be able to reduce.
I agree that black's stones are much more useful here... but is this better than the situation if black pincers the invasion stone? For someone trying to learn how to best use walls and influence I'm struggling with knowing when its better to let an invasion live. It seems like pincering, building up the lower right and then getting sente to play somewhere (?? not sure best move after that) might be just as good or better than this result. Or am I misunderstanding the situation?
Polama wrote:The consensus is that black ought to just pincer in the example given earlier of where you might use a wall to tenuki. So who has some ideas of how to modify the position slightly such that tenuki is worth considering?
Here's one thought to start things rolling:
White escapes from a pincer easily, so the position doesn't feel urgent to me any more. If black didn't have a wall, he might have to play locally to keep white from playing on the left and sealing him in.
But aren't the reasons that it's not urgent for black the same reasons why it might not be urgent for white? The threat of the pincer before was severe and made life for the white stones really difficult. That's one reason why making a base was such a huge move for white. In this position it looks like white has mia... either make a base or run towards the helper stone. Or if nothing else white can play lightly with the invasion stone and reduce. So a lot of the damage to blacks potential is already accomplished and it feels like white can afford to match black's move elsewhere without leaving this situation in too dire a state.
