Hades12
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:05 am
$$Bcm1 Prisoners -
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by moyoaji Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:04 am
$$Bcm1 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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So no Magic Sword. Instead, we're going for this joseki that I will follow up with
. Then white will either go and enclose the top or help his stone on the bottom.
$$Bcm1
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I didn't expect white to play this way, but honestly I'm happy about it. This kind of result gives white more territory than I get directly, but it hurts the stone he played at
, and making that stone look questionable is good for me.
Perhaps white has a plan for this. If white plays a different joseki than this I might be in trouble. I don't know other joseki from here very well. Let's see what white does.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
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by skydyr Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:07 am
Hades12
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:31 am
$$Bcm1 Prisoners -
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This is what I want to happen but I'm unsure if he knows this joseki. It looks favorable to white as l4 looks good and move 10 is ideally placed. But since he might not know this one I will hane at 3-2.
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:34 am
3-2 lower left please.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners -
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by moyoaji Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:19 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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Well, not doing that joseki...
I don't know this joseki very well. I know it to this:
$$Bcm1
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I once played 'a' in a game and my opponent correct me after the review. The move is supposed to be either
or one below that - the diagonal. I think the attachment to the right of
is also a thing, but I'd prefer not to touch that stone.
After
I am on my own.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:58 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners -
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looks like my plan is working.
$$Bcm11 Prisoners -
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Hopefully this joseki. I wonder if I can attach at a first?
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by moyoaji Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:11 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:02 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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by moyoaji Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:53 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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Didn't see this move coming at all. I have no idea what I'm supposed to play, so I'm just going to keep myself connected. I am still aiming at weaknesses on the bottom. E2 and J3 both look decent. I kind of like the idea of playing J3 and stealing territory on the bottom in exchange for giving white some outside thickness facing my own.
My group is now quite strong - fully out with plenty of liberties. All it lacks is a firm base. So, I may need to come back and play B2 at some point to give my group that base, but I don't want to play that and force a D2 response. That seems a bit aji-keshi. We'll see how my opponent responds to this move.
Looking at the big picture, now, I seem to be gaining thickness and influence over the territory I desired. Perhaps my high approach was a mistake? Would low truly have been better? Or perhaps two-space low? Or perhaps I should have simply played on the top side like I said I would?
I don't know why I did the things I did. It would have been a different game...
$$Bcm1 If I could turn back time... [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKbwR7WXN4]It's one of those Cher moments.[/url]
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"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
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by Hades12 Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:33 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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I going for thickness facing my 3-5. Maybe i can get sente to play the upper starpoint or approach the 3-3 to form a big moyo/framework.
$$Wcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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leaves weakness but maybe
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by moyoaji Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:52 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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With
my opponent has apparently decided he is going to build the top and left in a big way. I feel like it is time to cash in my aji to get sente.
With
my group is basically already alive. Yes, white can poke, but I'm still able to get out and, in the process of running, I would expose weaknesses in the bottom.
will make white stronger, but I don't think it is going to make him invincible by any stretch of the imagination.
After a response, I want to play something on the left. I think I will approach the corner at the 3-4. I expect to be pincered again and I will come out.
"You have to walk before you can run. Black 1 was a walking move.
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by EdLee Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:19 am
Hades,
Hades12 wrote: $$Bm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm1 This is what I want to happen but I'm unsure if he knows this joseki.
By "joseki", which move sequence were you referring to ? And are you sure it is joseki ?
(You know this is closed book, so you already know to wait until after the game to check joseki references.)
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by EdLee Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:40 am
For beginners. moyoaji wrote: $$Bm11
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my group is basically already alive.
Suppose W replies with
connect.
Now, even if B adds one more move,
, locally B is still not alive:
$$W
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by VincentCB Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:51 am
I think
is a mistake. Letting white play
below cannot be good. White still has 'a' or 'b' to settle his group on the lower side.
$$Bcm11 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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. Then white will either go and enclose the top or help his stone on the bottom.
, and making that stone look questionable is good for me.
or one below that - the diagonal. I think the attachment to the right of 
is also a thing, but I'd prefer not to touch that stone.
my opponent has apparently decided he is going to build the top and left in a big way. I feel like it is time to cash in my aji to get sente.
my group is basically already alive. Yes, white can poke, but I'm still able to get out and, in the process of running, I would expose weaknesses in the bottom. 
connect.
, locally B is still not alive:
below cannot be good. White still has 'a' or 'b' to settle his group on the lower side.