51. Zwergesel (3k) vs. topazg (1d)

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:54 am

Sorry for the delay. I didn't have time to play Go this weekend!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm52 Move 52 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , B . . X . . W . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . W B . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , B . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts
Take four corners and you win the game, right?

Well, probably not, but this still looks like the biggest move on the board to me!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm53 Moves 53-61 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 4 3 X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | 8 9 O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, now the fun starts. I'm happy that the top has been largely neutralised with regards to his ability to defend against the thickness he built up, and the right hand side is equally hard to develop. Sadly of course I'm behind on actual points, but at least I can start this fight and see how it develops.

This week I'm going to give a detailed explanation of all the big decisions in the fuseki from me so far, and then go through my game plan from here in some detail as we plough into the middle of the game.

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:08 am

topazg, that diagram seems a bit messed up.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:09 am

Harleqin wrote:topazg, that diagram seems a bit messed up.

Yes, I copied and pasted the wrong diagram from my notepad hashup

Wrong move numbers on the caption (53-55), wrong sequence order in the lower left, and missing the forcing moves in the middle which I want to play first.

I've repasted the fixed diagram

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:27 am

I think that this is a bit much presumption.

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:41 am

I accidentally edited this post instead of quoting it. I restored the original post as far as I remember it:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm54 Move 54 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

Harleqin wrote:I think that this is a bit much presumption.

I agree

Move 54 goes to D13! I don't see the benefit of the bamboo joint in this position. D13 leaves me with a large endgame move unless he defends at C13.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:42 am

Feel free to continue with the rest of the trigger, which has to still stand

prokofiev · Post by **prokofiev** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:52 am

Harleqin wrote:I think that this is a bit much presumption.

This game, being open, appears to have the ability to post long move sequences not as an assumption but as "I'm happy to play this."

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:34 am

prokofiev wrote:
Harleqin wrote:I think that this is a bit much presumption.

This game, being open, appears to have the ability to post long move sequences not as an assumption but as "I'm happy to play this."

Well, yes, but I feel uneasy about the suggestive power of the presented sequences.

I think that the actual move should have its own diagram, and then it could be followed by another diagram "I think it will continue like this". Then the opponent does not need to undo moves.

This is the case even more for the "closed" Malkovich games.

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:10 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm55 Move 55-60 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 5 2 1 X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . 6 O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger:

Tactics and Variations

For a moment I was worried that he could kill me with something like this, but I can live with a connect-and-die at a:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Move 61+62 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | a X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | 8 O O 2 3 . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He might play :b61:

anyway though in order to make more territory on the bottom!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:37 am

Hmmm, true, you can live with connecting, but only in gote, so that's ok. It's a fair exchange for securing my bottom and losing the aji of the jump out.:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm61 Move 61-63 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . . X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

If I can secure the lower edge further in sente, I'm going to play here for a moyo game. I can't avoid the fact White has picked up points in each corner now, that's the price of the strategy change to adjust for the messed up top left corner. We'll see if I can get silly amounts of points down here instead!

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:30 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm64 Move 64 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . 1 X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts
This feels wrong and it probably is!

I want to play it anyway though, just to see what's going to happen!
I don't think his group is as strong as he thinks it is!

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:12 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm65 Move 65 - Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O O . , X . O X . . O . . | $$ | . . X O X O X . . . . . 1 . . X . O . | $$ | . . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X O X X . X . . . , . . . X X , O . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . X . . . X O O . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Strategy and Thoughts

If I'm that weak, I can't believe that the contact is better than sealing me in. White has influence from the left, and an alive group in the corner. If he can build thickness facing the middle my game plan is gone. Still, we'll see what he has up his sleeve.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:02 am

I'm actually going to apologise profusely, but I think I'm going to resign here. I'm frustrated that I'm not investing far more time into this game than I am, and I think it's a disservice to Malkovich games personally just to play out moves in the forums. I'm burning out at the moment with a crazy amount on in my personal life, and I just can't find the time to do this properly.

As it is, the joseki blunder in the top left has cost me ~30 points I think by my latest guess, and that makes me at least 10 to 15 points behind right now, so resigning isn't completely unreasonable anyway.

Good game zwergesel, maybe we will meet again sometime

Zwergesel · Post by **Zwergesel** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:51 pm

Awww, just as it's starting to become interesting!
My middlegame is bad! I would've lost many points! The more I think about my last move, the more I think it's a mistake!

But, well, thank you for the game! It was fun! And I can now say that I defeated a 1d in an even game

I wish you good luck with whatever is keeping you busy in your personal life! Stress is the way to the dark side, so remember to relax once in a while and don't overburden yourself, young Padawan!

Oh, and we'll definitely meet again! :twisted:

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