10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Shawn Ligocki wrote:
drmwc wrote:According to go4go, since the jubango started, the score in all games is 6-4 to Lee Sedol. (Gu Li won a couple not in the jubango, and Lee Seedol won 1 not in it.) This may or may not be sufficient evidence to abandon the 50% hypothesis.


While most of the modeling you all are talking about sounds too complex for me to make any comment on, I feel confident in saying this: Lee Sedol winning 6/10 games cannot possibly invalidate a 50% null hypothesis. That's only 1 more than expected!

In fact, the chance of getting exactly 5/10 wins (assuming a null hypothesis that each game is a coin toss) is only 24.6%. So there's over a 75% chance of getting a skew of 6/10 or more towards one or the other of them.

Applying the same reasoning towards just the Jubango games: Even with the null hypothesis that every game is a coin toss, the chance of one player being ahead at 5/7 or more is a whopping 45.3%! So this result really isn't too surprising even if you believe Gu Li and Lee Sedol are exactly evenly matched.



But you have to divide by two. It is not 'one player' that is ahead. It is one particular player. So the odds of this happening randomly are only about 23%.
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:But you have to divide by two. It is not 'one player' that is ahead. It is one particular player. So the odds of this happening randomly are only about 23%.


Are you sure we wouldn't be having this same conversation if Gu Li was 5:2 up?

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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So if it goes 5-5, that's just it, right? There's no tie breaker?
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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It's unclear what will happen if there's a draw.

As we've said several times over at GGG, there was a curious interview with the sponsor on Baduk TV (from memory during game 2). In that interview Ni Zhanggen clearly said that he was entertaining the idea of extending the match by three games if the score reached 5-5.

However, Ni is being strangely coy about the whole thing, so we've avoided publishing it as 'news'. Personally I think it would be better for the players if there was some certainty here. Both of them should know at this stage whether Gu is fighting for a draw at best, or a possible (if remote) reversal.
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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While I am a huge Gu Li fan, I don't think he can win 3 games in a row vs Lee.. He did win 3 in a row somewhere between the jubango games but they were some minor tournaments I believe.

To win 3 games in a row in jubango vs Lee, unlikely.
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Commented 7th game by Mr An Younggil,

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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The 8th game is on tonight(10am in China).

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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8th game,

Lee Sedol defeated Gu Li by 2.5.

Lee Sedol vs Gu Li 6:2

Lee Sedol is Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Thank-you for all your work trout.
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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logan wrote:Thank-you for all your work trout.


I second this.

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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Rip Gu Li
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ripping him is not quite sensitive, imho.
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Re: 10 games match Lee Sedol vs Gu Li

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Abyssinica wrote:Rip Gu Li


cyclops wrote:ripping him is not quite sensitive, imho.


I understood it to be an expresssion of sympathy. ( Maybe diiferent sides of the pond lead to different interpretations )
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