On move 11 Meng said it was very unusual and he didn't know what to expect next. But it has appeared in around 10% of this fuseki in the GoGoD database, and a third of the time (all with top players) since it was introduced by Ke Jie no less about a year and a half ago.
OK, it's maybe not mainstream yet, but "very unusual"??? I've noticed before, with considerable surprise, that even top pros often seem unaware of new developments. That would never happen in the chess world. Maybe it's one reason AlphaGo has an edge?
Seconded! Thank you, dhu163.
Sorry, can't resist the baseball reference: I'm third on Hu!
It is a bit surprising Meng doesn't know about this move. With a longer reflection I think he'd realise it is normal. But he often uses hyperbole and relies on feeling, often his first feeling.
He has joked before that he would make a good football commentator, but that it's not so easy to apply those skills to go.
I've heard that reference so many times. I often you another common idea: Dr Who?.
Yes, I think the comments make sense when you remember that it's a transcription of live TV commentary. There are some lines they probably just don't have time to consider, and at other times I got the impression that they played the buffoon for comic effect. Being entertaining probably takes priority over an exhaustive analysis of the position, though I also think the commentary was quite informative.
wouah , thank you so much. I was waiting for this commentary ^^ . Your job is priceless ^^ .
Tomorrow they will play the second game. Hope Ke jie will win
I translate some of the player's post match comments:
Ke Jie: This is my first time in Pu Er. It's quite comfortable, like when the wind blows. I was a bit irritated by the bugs, but the whole environment is quite good, half mountain, half water.
After the first ponnuki I wasn't too sure who had the advantage. My profit from the ponnuki in terms of real points wasn't much and all my stones inside died. I didn't feel I had the advantage, but just felt it was playable. The second ponnuki, I'm not sure, perhaps I lost out. Saving those few stones didn't feel that big, about 20 points, perhaps I should have just extended.
In the endgame, there were a lot of moves I could sell [literal translation], I didn't play the best moves. At the top, sticking to his shape I'm not sure about, I was a bit scared of [muffled, sounds like, I was scared the clamp was sente]. But then when he extended [in the centre] it seemed very big.
Actually I thought I was going to win, but counting again after the extension, it seemed not so, a bit close. So I wedged into it, and the following series. Actually I was in byo-yomi and hadn't read clearly, and after I was knocked out by the ko, so I lost.
Chen YaoYe: I'm very happy to come to Pu Er to come play this competition. Pu Er is a very beautiful place and I'm very happy to see so many go enthusiasts [the children].
After black's ponnuki I thought black was clearly leading but my capture was a bit slow. My thinking was mistaken. I thought after he played the knight's move, I could cut but then found that after he makes empty triangle, it's not so easy for me to connect.
Regarding the first white ponnuki, I thought black didn't have any other good way to play. If I didn't press him down, it's not so easy to find another move, and after that the exchange was pretty much forced. After that the game was basically even.
But in afternoon I thought getting the jump at the top was good for black. W just rescued 20 points, but on it's own I thought the jump was very big, and also got a centre ponnuki as an extra. I thought then, black was doing alright. But the subsequent attack, I feel didn't get anything. Afterwards, when white connected, it was black's position that had some thinness. If a bit more thick the combinations in the centre would be different.
Originally I thought black was alright, I just needed to make a few points from the attack, but my play had some problems somewhere. But afterwards, white's point making maybe had some issues. After I extended I thought I had a slight advantage. His wedge wasn't ok, but at the time if he protected the group below and I got the tiger mouth I thought black would win by a little.
Oh dear. Do you know if he would have forfeited if too late? I was recently at a tournament in China which also had the penalise double your lateness rule, but if more than 15 minutes late you lose.
Uberdude wrote:Oh dear. Do you know if he would have forfeited if too late? I was recently at a tournament in China which also had the penalise double your lateness rule, but if more than 15 minutes late you lose.
Don't really know. That'd have been something to happen in a final.
CCTV commentary. I'm a bit more nervous about copyright, as the source is dubious (youtube). But these commentaries are much better than weiqitv - more serious, and with connections to the live research of the "national team". the assistant commentator is also pro, with many years of experience commentating, and says a lot more.
See move 178 for Chen Yao Ye's post game interview with Chen Ying 1p
I hope this has less errors/typos that my previous ones
are you sure? I find weiqitv commentaries much better usually, because weiqitv is catered to go players where as CCTV is trying to make their commentaries for everyone, and bring in new players, so it's usually a lot simpler and for lower level players.
Both have their pros and cons. Weiqitv starts their live broadcast a lot earlier, so they have plenty of time to fill, meaning they can go into more details on the selection of moves and possible sequences. At the same time, because they have so much air time to spare, they can't be all serious all the time and just head down to focus the game, especially after they caught up, so they chat a lot. CCTV normally doesn't start until 4:30pm local time and just has an hour or so. There is also obviously the age difference in commentators as CCTV likes to invite Wang Runan and Hua Xueming, and that dictates the respective tones too.
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