11th Chunlan Cup

[xiayun]

Some summary of the video:

1. Chang Hao liked the exchange at the top-right for white (around the 17:30 mark in the video) since by move 38, white got very good territory on the right especially given black spent two extra moves.

2. Chang Hao questioned b53 (@29:00), thinking extending up at C10 or playing E4 first would be better. He thought even though black ended up capturing the two middle stones, white got more territory from the left and the bottom where Park could focus on reducing b's potential with move 66. Black wasn't necessarily behind by then, but it was always a question how Ke could efficiently turn the outside influence into real points.

3. He wondered (@39:25) if before b85, black could have played the cut at C12 first, or maybe as a ko threat when the ko was still active. An exchange of c12 + b12 would allow b to extend at e13 later to connect instead of resorting to h14. H14 ended up helping white as w just naturally sacrificed the one stone while eliminating all the influence b had from the right group. By move 98, he said it's going to be difficult for b in term of territory. He did a count at that time (@45:00) and had both b and w at 55 points, and w had little weakness by then.

[TheCannyOnion]

Some summary of the video:

1. Chang Hao liked the exchange at the top-right for white (around the 17:30 mark in the video) since by move 38, white got very good territory on the right especially given black spent two extra moves.

2. Chang Hao questioned b53 (@29:00), thinking extending up at C10 or playing E4 first would be better. He thought even though black ended up capturing the two middle stones, white got more territory from the left and the bottom where Park could focus on reducing b's potential with move 66. Black wasn't necessarily behind by then, but it was always a question how Ke could efficiently turn the outside influence into real points.

3. He wondered (@39:25) if before b85, black could have played the cut at C12 first, or maybe as a ko threat when the ko was still active. An exchange of c12 + b12 would allow b to extend at e13 later to connect instead of resorting to h14. H14 ended up helping white as w just naturally sacrificed the one stone while eliminating all the influence b had from the right group. By move 98, he said it's going to be difficult for b in term of territory. He did a count at that time (@45:00) and had both b and w at 55 points, and w had little weakness by then.

Thank you very much!

[TheCannyOnion]

Some summary of the video:

1. Chang Hao liked the exchange at the top-right for white (around the 17:30 mark in the video) since by move 38, white got very good territory on the right especially given black spent two extra moves.

2. Chang Hao questioned b53 (@29:00), thinking extending up at C10 or playing E4 first would be better. He thought even though black ended up capturing the two middle stones, white got more territory from the left and the bottom where Park could focus on reducing b's potential with move 66. Black wasn't necessarily behind by then, but it was always a question how Ke could efficiently turn the outside influence into real points.

3. He wondered (@39:25) if before b85, black could have played the cut at C12 first, or maybe as a ko threat when the ko was still active. An exchange of c12 + b12 would allow b to extend at e13 later to connect instead of resorting to h14. H14 ended up helping white as w just naturally sacrificed the one stone while eliminating all the influence b had from the right group. By move 98, he said it's going to be difficult for b in term of territory. He did a count at that time (@45:00) and had both b and w at 55 points, and w had little weakness by then.

Thank you very much, and happy holidays!

[AleXi3l]

Hi,
does anyone know when the final is taking place ?
Thanks a lot

[macelee]

Hi,
does anyone know when the final is taking place ?
Thanks a lot

June 2017

[xiayun]

The Best of 3 final between Park Yeong-hun and Tan Xiao will start on 06/23.

[xiayun]

The start time has changed from 9:30am to 11:00am local time (8pm PST) to fit the CCTV broadcasting schedule. And apparently there will be a match for 3rd place too, between Ke Jie and Gu Zihao; don't know why that's needed.

[wolfking]

Results from June 23rd

Ke Jie beat Gu Zihao for 11th consecutive win after the AG matches and won the 3rd place.

Tan Xiao beat Park Yeong-hun in game 1 (best of 3) by killing a big dragon. Park resigned at move 184.

[Uberdude]

Ke Jie beat Gu Zihao for 11th consecutive win after the AG matches and won the 3rd place.

As some people seem to take this win streak (and Lee's after his match) as evidence playing AlphaGo made them stronger (similar claim about Fan Hui), it's worth pointing out that for top players like Lee/Ke such win streaks are not unheard of, for example Ke had a 17 game win streak Oct 2013 - Apr 2017 (of games in go4go) and 2 11s in Jun-Jul 2014 and Aug-Sep 2015, and quite a few 7-9s.

[pookpooi]

A lot of Chinese news have headline like 'Are there any 'human' that can defeat Ke Jie now?' or something like that from Google translate. But since Ke Jie also love being in the spotlight I think this is the win-win situation.

[ewan1971]

A lot of Chinese news have headline like 'Are there any 'human' that can defeat Ke Jie now?' or something like that from Google translate. But since Ke Jie also love being in the spotlight I think this is the win-win situation.

Care to explain what you meant by "Ke Jie also love being in the spotlight I think this is the win-win situation"?

How does he love being in the spotlight? What evidence or examples do you have in backing up this assertion of yours?

[pookpooi]

How does he love being in the spotlight? What evidence or examples do you have in backing up this assertion of yours?

Finding evidence to back up subjective claim is harder than objective claim

[ewan1971]

How does he love being in the spotlight? What evidence or examples do you have in backing up this assertion of yours?

Finding evidence to back up subjective claim is harder than objective claim

So posting on social media and not minding other people talking about what he posts is the same as loving the spotlight?

[qingshu]

How does he love being in the spotlight? What evidence or examples do you have in backing up this assertion of yours?

Finding evidence to back up subjective claim is harder than objective claim

So posting on social media and not minding other people talking about what he posts is the same as loving the spotlight?

Haha for a GO player I think its a fair statement! I mean, we don't talk about GO players like they're fashion models who "love the spotlight". He gives us a sense that he likes the competition in GO as well as the celebrity part of it. He's good at interacting with the media and likes to talk to his fans. For a GO player, thats enough spotlight loving :p

[Uberdude]

Haha for a GO player I think its a fair statement! I mean, we don't talk about GO players like they're fashion models who "love the spotlight".

Talking of fashion, check this photoshoot/interview Ke Jie did:
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzA5NT ... Tu1QneRolx

As for the final, in the 2nd game Park Yeonghun beat Tan Xiao by half a point after a long endgame, as is his speciality. So it goes to a deciding 3rd game (probably day after tomorrow).