3 stones handicap against AI

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Re: 3 stones handicap against AI

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I spy a nozomi at f5, another favourite of AI-style :)
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Re: 3 stones handicap against AI

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John Fairbairn wrote:All these high moves, both for building and for erasing the network, seem to have "associations" (my term) emphasised by constant tenukis. I hae further have a feeling that AI bots dislike pincers because they interfere too much with association-building. I also believe associations has a wider connotation than aji.

Obviously this is mostly speculation by me, an amateur, but at the very least I feel sure that finding the right terminology is going to be a big step forward.
We are all feeling our way, as mere humans. ;)

New concepts will emerge. I like direct 3-3, BTW, as it can apply to the 5-3 and 5-4 as well as the 4-4. :) IMO we need good terminology, good definition or description, and a good set of instances, probably a good prototype. :) Easier said than done. ;)
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Re: 3 stones handicap against AI

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John Fairbairn wrote:

I wonder how did the white shape C4,D4,E4 occur. It seems a bit over consentrated.
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Re: 3 stones handicap against AI

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Matti, here's my guess for move order:
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Not sure if 13 or 15 would come first, but probably this way as submarine against the big knight is unusual as gives bigger corner to white than normal. But with white already defending with 14 c4 is a tad soft: white could play from outside and let black live in corner but then f5 is probably a good exchange, so in a fast TV game white probably went for solid cash,
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Re: 3 stones handicap against AI

Post by gowan »

I like the term "association". I wonder whether the traditional description of stones "working" with other stones is related.
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