32. Magicwand (3d) vs. Kirby (1d)

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sun May 02, 2010 7:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm15 Move 15 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As per my previous analysis, I'm happy to let white crawl along the second line. Let's compare this to the result that I was expecting:

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I like the actual game for black better than this variation, so I'm kind of happy right now. I guess I might not have sente to play 9 this way, but I think it's worth it considering the low amount of territory white is getting on the side.

Also, in the diagram above, white could still tenuki at some point and prevent me from playing 9, anyway... So I'm OK with it.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Sun May 02, 2010 7:41 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Jedo · Post by **Jedo** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:30 pm

Post by **Solomon** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:34 pm

Jedo wrote:
Lol @ magicwand in malkovitch games. He posts like no comments, seems ok with losing points all over the place, but still wins the game

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:53 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm starting to be a bit worried about a white invasion around H3. I don't really know the best way to deal with it right now. I thought about tenuki-ing, but letting white get the point marked above seems just too good for him. For example:

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I'm not sure about the exact sequence... Maybe :b3:

is bad shape, and maybe white would play a bit differently... But I just really don't like this way of playing. Yes, the bottom area has some nice potential like this, but white gets more control on the right side than I want him to.

I want his right group to remain small.

And, playing the move I've chosen works well with the black top right star point. I think that it's too big to tenuki right now. I want to tenuki and play something like :b1:

in the diagram above, but I don't think I have time to do so, because of the possibilities that it brings to white.

My goal is to deal with an invasion on the bottom when Magicwand takes sente (I think he'll probably invade) keeping two things in mind:

1.) Make the best use of my potential on the bottom as possible.
2.) I want to get sente if possible so that I can approach his top left corner before he does something at the top.

It might be tricky to meet both of these objectives, but I am going to try... This is assuming that Magicwand decides to invade on the next move. He might play something different, but since the invasion is what I'm concerned about the most, I can come up with a new plan if he plays elsewhere. He may approach the top right stone. I'm OK with that, too.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Sun May 02, 2010 10:34 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm18 Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i think i can get sente. is sente that important??? i think yes..

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm18 Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . X 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 03, 2010 7:28 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . B . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I Feel So Impatient Now! :-|

I feel a bit impatient now, so it's a little hard for me to make the move I've chosen. As I've mentioned in my previous analysis, I would really like to defend at F5. I want to get a good position on the bottom since I've invested in giving Magicwand some points for a wall.

So considering that, I would like to play F5 immediately. But I think that doing that is too impatient, because it leaves too much aji against the bottom of my wall. Since I've already invested in making a wall, I don't want to jump the gun and lose what I've gotten.

Some examples:

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If I play at "a", there is some aji at "b". If I play at "b", white can continue to push and get more territory. Yes, it's on the second line, but it's also making me a bit over-concentrated. On the right side I like pushing him on the second line because I generate more power.

On the bottom, though, rather than power, I get a clump of over-concentration... That's my feeling, anyway.

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There's also aji around :w2:

in the diagram above, which would help Magicwand a lot in invading the area.

So the conclusion is, while I want to play someplace else - I feel very, very impatient right now - it's probably not the best idea. I need to be patient.

The first possibility I considered locally was:

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But after white 2, there is some aji at x and y, which could cause problems later - maybe it will make it easier for Magicwand to invade.

So then I considered, locally, this:

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The move above seems to go better in terms of getting rid of aji, and I almost played it.... But I felt that being simple might be better:

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Simply playing solidly like this takes away aji, and makes a solid wall. I invested in having a solid wall, and now I have it. I feel impatient... But I feel like I have to play this move.

The additional benefit is that the 5 space extension from my center bottom stone seems pretty ideal.

Next, I can look forward to Magicwand's invasion, or his approach of my top right stone. I will keep the same goals in mind as I had in the previous post. I will do my best.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon May 03, 2010 7:55 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm20 Move 20 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if i dont play as above then he will play as below. so i will make sure he doesnt.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X 3 O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O 4 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect... a~d is my right. this look better than above variation.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . 4 . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d 3 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b a c . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:20 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm21 Move 21 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:22 am

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon May 03, 2010 8:53 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm22 Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon May 03, 2010 9:04 am

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon May 03, 2010 9:30 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm23 Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . B . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As stated in an earlier post, the bad part about letting white crawl in here, as opposed to on the side is that I become a little over-concentrated.

However, the good part is that, if white pushes in here a lot, I'll become pretty solidified on the bottom. Currently, it looks to me like white might get around 15 points on the bottom left:

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This seems OK to me, because I feel like I can probably get more than that from my center influence. The bad part, I guess is that he has played in both of the left two corners. But I still think that it's anybody's game.

By the way, I thought about pushing down on the second line, but there's not a guarantee that he'll connect:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe white will take this as an opportunity to play a stone further into the area on the bottom... So, I'd rather play as I did in the game for now.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Mon May 03, 2010 9:35 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm24 Move 24 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect. i am already ahead so i will take it slow..
right side is not urgent because i have a~c

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm24 Move 24 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 4 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , 7 . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . b . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Harleqin · Post by **Harleqin** » Mon May 03, 2010 9:46 am

Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm22 Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . C . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He has made a mistake by tenuki.
I think I am already ahead and will win easily.

(I added Black's next move as :ec:

to the diagram.)

OK, first let's look at the territory. White has made about 10 points in the lower right, and the lower left should perhaps also be counted as 10 for him. The top, with a hoshi of each colour, probably cancels out. Black has no territory yet.

Second, let's look at power (influence and thickness). Do you think that Black's formation on the lower side is worth more or less than 20 points?

I am quite convinced that it is far more than 20 points. We will have to see how well Black is able to transform his advantage into points in the end, but so far, Magicwand's optimism is not warranted at all.

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