Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:18 am

Approved

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:22 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 131 W64 B57 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O B | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Any other move than T13 here will lead to W P15. The following sequence (up to

taking the ko) looks forced to me, but what do I know?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 131 W64 B57 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 1 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 2 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:13 pm

Daniel's trigger resolves, he approves, I approve.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:53 pm

Trigger:

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:30 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 132 W65 B57 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O C | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X W | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:39 pm

Triggered, I also approve... let the ko begin!

Gresil · Post by **Gresil** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:03 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Move 133 W65 B57 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O C | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X B | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:13 am

Approved, naturally...

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:48 am

Approved.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:45 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 W65 B58 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 2 | $$ | . O O O 3 . . . . . . . . . O O X X C | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X B | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Pardon the trigger, but in a ko, some things are obvious.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 W65 B58 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . b . O X e . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X a . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . c . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 2 | $$ | . O O O d . . . . . . . . . O O X X C | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X B | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, we can't win this ko fight. This basically makes the whole game look... iffy. We can either use or threats to try to live on top (a, b, or e), or we can sacrifice all of the top+right, consider that we have thickness in the whole rest of the board, and try to put it to work ASAP. I think I'm going to go with 'd', on the latter plan. 'd' accomplishes similar things to 'c', threatening to kill the big group above and setting adrift the stones below. If white captures the ko (seems like they will), I intend to push and cut. I'll also look at just atari-ing after the ko capture, though.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:55 am

Move approved. Must think about trigger.

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:27 am

I'm fine with 135. I think we all are... >.<

shapenaji · Post by **shapenaji** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:17 am

Wait, Joaz, did you approve 136?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:51 pm

shapenaji wrote:Wait, Joaz, did you approve 136?

No. I didn't disapprove either.

Hmmm...the rules are not clear here. Are we waiting on me or the white team?

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:33 pm

I'm assuming that all white players will want to take the ko.

We can make a ko threat to save our group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . 4 . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 2 . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 6 O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 5 O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X C C C C C X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X C 3 X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X C C C | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X C 1 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...which continues like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . 2 O 1 5 4 6 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . 7 3 O . O X 8 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X . X O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and - I didn't see this earlier - it may end in sente!

If they tenuki:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . O O X X O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . X X O . O X O . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X 2 3 . X O . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X 4 X O O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It is a flower-viewing ko for us. I haven't read all variations, but we can live, and as best I can tell we live with sente.

So..

I don't approve of the trigger.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 W65 B60 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 3 . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 2 | $$ | . O O O C . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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