Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Two things: I jumped twice to get some extra influence and it also means that my group has some room to move. But I want to use this influence.

One way that I don't tend to do very often would be to play like this. Now if white invades the 3-3, his stones are thin and he has to patch them up. Maybe he plays to strengthen his group and aiming at the 3-3 invasion. If he does that, I might be able to attack his group, but he can probably manage. At least I feel like black's group isn't as strong as I'd like it to support the invasion on the right.

So instead, I'd rather split up white's stones.

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I could also play this, but it feels too passive and white's group feels a lot stronger than I'd like.


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If I play like this:
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Later white has this to help him settle.
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So I decided to split with an idea that I wouldn't be surprised by an attachment and a crosscut. Also, I wouldn't be surprised by him kicking me which is his sente.

If I were him: Perhaps I'd play this:
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Or:

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Lots of possiblities here, I have a bunch of scattered random thoughts and ideas, but we'll see how he responds.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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This move is the tactical center of the top. If I do something else, for instance suppose that I make double approach:
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a simple pillar looks pretty good for Black. Maybe it isn't the best move for Black in the diagram, but the point is that if I don't attach now, I'm not sure that I can keep the opportunity to attach later.
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I'm expecting a crosscut. Then if there is one, I will extend.

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Perhaps something like this? We'll have to see how white chooses to play.
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Crosscut is the default reply here.
Sometimes hane underneath is an option, but here Black would develop too much power:

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Something like that. Stuff like a) is looking like sente for Black and b) is a huge point now. White can't get both, so life on the top will be pretty miserably enclosed.

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I'm most concerned if Black draws back. If a) then I'll c). Something like b) is more difficult. I may have to just a), but possibly I can try forcing at d). Dunno.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure of the outcome of this fight will be, but if I get sente, I think I'll invade the right side.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To no-one's surprise, I'm simply playing the reply that I said I would.

So far, you can regard my grappling moves from the attachment at J17 onward as more or less automatic. It wouldn't take much in the way of conscious thought to produce them in a normal game, though like every other Malkovich-move I make, I try to show some reason(s) for playing the way I do.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O b O X X c . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . d # O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . e 9 . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


The idea here -- and the reason why it's usually good to draw back from a crosscut -- is that this move will generate tactics on either side of the cut. I'm pretty much poised to catch the marked Black stone as things stand, and it's not so easy to help it. If I get a) or b), blocking at c) to catch the other two stones is activated. If Black takes d) but I remove the liberty at b), netting tactics are open. e) isn't really viable for Black, either; there's a reason why hane at both ends of two stones is regarded as a problem for the two stones...

Black b) cannot cut me, either.

Black has options, still, but I think that I've taken much of the edge off of them. Black can't prevent me from getting a result of some sort or another, here; my opponent needs to decide what I get and how I get it.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



This is the move that I expected and of course it threatens to ladder my stone. I'd like to avoid that possiblity, so my inclination is to move that stone, but how?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O d O X X e . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . a X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . b c O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a doesn't work because after black responds at d, he can net me.

b and c both threaten to capture a single white stone, so they both kind of work.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . 7 8 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 6 O X X 4 0 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 2 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 3 O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . X O 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O O X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O 5 O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O 6 7 8 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 2 3 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But with b white gets to play :w4: which I think I might be able to handle because of white's cutting point, but I feel like afterwards, my stones become heavy floating stones which I don't like.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After :w2: I have no good response.

So I should just connect my stones at this point.

Of course, he doesn't HAVE to ladder me either.

He can play like this and squeeze me. But after I play e, he definitely can't tenuki. If that happens, I won't play the squeeze sequence out right away. It would definitely be gote to kill that stone after I he initiates the squeeze sequence, so I can leave it as aji.

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$$ | . . . . . . . 6 7 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 5 O X X 1 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 4 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 2 8 O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Anyhow, if he played the ladder, I'd play a ladder breaker next. Then I might close the bottom right corner. This will make miai of the two invasion points in white's moyo. Then if he protects one, I will take the other.

I'm not quite sure if b works. If it doesn't, it very nearly does. I wonder what stronger players would play.

I decided to play b in the end because I like crazy fighting and because I can learn something from complicated situations.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O b O X X 2 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . c X O e O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X d O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |[/go]


:w21: for :b22: is almost to be expected, though maybe Black will try pushing at e). I'm forced to protect my cut, and Black is forced to protect, too. Especially considering that I'm probably going to play atari from c) rather than d) -- I'm protecting the stones on the top, and discarding the center stones -- :w21: makes a better eyeshape than b), and is worth more points in yose, besides.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X 2 . X . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The reason my diagrams had him atari first was so that he could protect against my capturing his two stones in sente. His move has the advantage of undercutting my group while protecting against that weakness. But now I think that he's pretty solidly cut. This generally weakens his groups which makes my invasion a success.

Right now I'm happy. I'm not elated, but I'm happy. My two stones are still pretty weak too. I just hope that he doesn't see some amazing tesuji that I've missed. Though, it's never bad to learn a new amazing tesuji.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is where I need to think more carefully. There are some things I quite simply can't play:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 4 . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 6 . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]

That looks like screaming overplay. I can't get a meaningful result if I can't follow up to the hane with the cut at :w25:, but the cut is not working after :b26:

On a somewhat related note, this seems just too low:
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$$ | . . . 3 b c . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . a . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


Black could just cover at a) and my shape isn't even that great. There's be aji in that b)-c) gap.

So what about the diagonal?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . 3 . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


Slow but solid. I'm not threatening anything, really.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . 3 . X a O . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


This knight's move is sharper but thinner. Here I'm directly asking to connect at a).

Of course I could consider to just play atari:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . d c . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . # . a . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 5 X 4 O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . 8 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


In this variation my center stones are (relatively) cleanly killed, but Black may also try to capture on a larger scale. My eyeshape is pretty good, but it's not so easy to pressure the corner stone now. A whole variety of Black moves can possibly produce sente against my group. I'm not sure I like this path. I want clearer benefit on the left, and more aji with my stones in the center.

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 5 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 X 6 O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


This :w23: above attempts a riff on the previous variation. Like this I'd be satisfied to have the initiative again. Black appears to make a questionable move compared with the previous variation:

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . # . . . 3 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 X 4 O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . a . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


:b26: is dubious to me, Black can at least jump to a). Anyway, continuing to think about the shoulder hit, what if Black resists? Here's where we need to read deeply, though it's something of a one-way street.

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[go]$$Wcm23 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 8 4 5 . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 3 2 X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 9 6 1 0 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


And continuing,
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[go]$$Wcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 7 . . O 9 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . O 3 O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O 2 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . 4 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


:b32: for :w33: is optional for Black, but I put it in as the variation I'm most concerned about regarding the stones on the top. They seem to live, but barely and in gote. I've not prepared to do anything else on the board. I cannot play this way.

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . b . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


So do I come down the middle with a) or b)?
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . d O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . e O c O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . b a f X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


If :w23:, :b24: is maybe most likely. I probably can't be cut just yet. But what do I do next? It's hard to attack the corner because I'm thin.

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . 3 . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . 7 . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


If this :w23:, then Black can maybe just reinforce the corner. It takes an extra move to threaten the cutting stones, and the running fight doesn't seem very good to me. Black is getting territory on both sides, and is walking between my weak groups.

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . b a . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |[/go]


So, I think I'm going to bite the bullet and play the more delicate knight's move. Maybe we'll continue it as above, but I'll think about it a bit more.

Let's doublecheck the cutting, though, since Black b) is actually more plausible than a):

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . 4 5 9 X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 6 X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


I can deal with it, I guess. I really need to think about finding territory, though..
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also considered playing E17 first. I believe that he'd then just kill my cutting stones, but I would have gotten it in sente and it would have helped my corner quite a bit, but I think that I should strengthen these here cutting stones. Afterwards, he'll probably play something to fix that weakpoint while pressuring my corner as his group builds up some strength.

I do have to be sure to watch after my corner stone, but I feel generally good about the game. I am happy with having cut white's stones so thoroughly and I feel good about being able to pressure his groups. Generally, I feel good in a game when I feel like I'm pressuring the opponent which is why I think I tend to like fighting. Because I really enjoy the feeling of forcing the opponent to submit to my will a bit.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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My sealed move, hidden from players:
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X a O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c 5 b . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If 'a' then 'b', and vice versa. Because of that, it seems like B has to block at 'c', which seems to start an interesting fight. That said, maybe F15 should jump out again to prepare this move.
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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@chew
Could you explain you intresting fight idea? to me this looks horrible for white.
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[go]$$Wcm25 And now?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O X X X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . B . 5 . . X O . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 X . O . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I mean sure the :bc: stone does not look to healthy but the white middle stones look very dead to my eyes and that is a pretty big area
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Yay! People are watching our game!
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Re: Game #119--Puppycake vs. Parliament

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Mnem, I was looking at the fight after the following cut at G13. Black has very few liberties, so white's likely to get something locally. That said, it's probably best to just jump to F13 first. It seems to be fairly sente, because it makes that wedge work. While that will make black strengthen in the middle, it makes white even stronger against the corner/left.

That said, my reading is REALLY not to be trusted. Particularly today.
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