Sevis (8k) v. metaperl (10k)

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:33 pm

I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ...
notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

The next post will have my correct move choice.

Here is a screencast documenting the failure:

http://screencast.com/t/jgTu8niSlB5v

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:42 pm

oren · Post by **oren** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:46 pm

thequietcenter wrote:I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ...
notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

The next post will have my correct move choice.

$$Bc
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Needed to change the top to $$Bc from $$Wc

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:58 pm

oren wrote:
SmartGo also may be able to copy and paste in the format used here for diagrams. I'm not sure, but it's worth looking.

And I found it here...
http://www.smartgo.com/copy.htm

Here is a screencast of that approach creating a wrong diagram:
http://screencast.com/t/jgTu8niSlB5v

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:01 pm

thequietcenter wrote:I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong.
I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

1. Under a diagram of the current board, Click Here To Show Diagram Code.
2. Highlight and Copy the diagram text.
3. Post Reply.
4. Paste.
5. Edit your move; add comments, etc.
6. Preview.
7. Rinse and repeat (5) and (6).
8. Submit.

smartgo · Post by **smartgo** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:21 pm

thequietcenter wrote:I turned on Wiki formatting as suggested and then chose Edit -> Copy as Ascii, but it came out wrong. I'm sticking with the standard sgf posting format.

I will report this to the author of SmartGo though. It might be a bug ... notice the reversed move colors in the corner.

It's a bug, but it's easy to work around. SmartGo uses the current player instead of the color of the first numbered move. So you can change the player before choosing Edit > Copy as ASCII by choosing Play > Black/White to Play.

If you insert a diagram node (Edit > Insert Diagram) to show a sequence of moves, and choose Copy as ASCII while you're at that diagram node, the color will be correct. This is the intended usage, but of course it should work with whatever you have showing on the board.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:47 pm

oren wrote:Needed to change the top to $$Bc from $$Wc

If you think I'm manually editing ascii diagrams instead of using my SmartGo editor, well.... go ahead and think that, but it aint happenin'

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:55 am

From a observer's point of view, its nicer and easier to read ascii diagrams. Also I can't read the sgfs very well on my smartphone, which I use fairly often.

From the experience of a player, editting an ascii diagram isn't very hard or time consuming.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:26 am

Aphelion wrote:From a observer's point of view, its nicer and easier to read ascii diagrams. Also I can't read the sgfs very well on my smartphone, which I use fairly often.

From the experience of a player, editting an ascii diagram isn't very hard or time consuming.

Hey dude! Long time no see. You are at 4k. Nice going. I'm not cooperating with Ascii diagrams, end of story. It's easier and more convenient for me to do it how I'm doing it.

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:48 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This seems to lead to interesting and fairly nice results. I'm not a fan of e, it simply never works out for me the way I want it to. A double pincer could work, too, but I haven't played with those enough for it to be safe.

Edit with more thoughts:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This looks reasonable, but I think he needs the marked stone to not get cut to pieces.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b 3 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Not quite sure what this will lead to -- if he play a, he can get a wall facing the bottom, but I'll also get a good deal of strength on the topic; I'm hoping it will be enough to capture the corner.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm8 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 5 3 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This does not feel nice at all... I will need to plan out this line further, in case he plays it.

I see nothing wrong with plain-text diagrams, but suit yourself.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:13 pm

Sevis · Post by **Sevis** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:01 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Yay, fun version! Let's break joseki and try to get some benefit out of this. I still have the option to play it after this move, though.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Topazg played this against me in our malkovich... I think black gets too much out of it in this position.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O 8 X 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I don't like this.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X 7 9 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 6 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O 0 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I think this may end in gote...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X O O X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Yeah, I'll need to protect...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

The corner is big, but I'm not sure it's that big. Might just play joseki. Perhaps playing at Q10 would have been better (but would have given him a good extension).

Another variation:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm10 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . X 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

This way, I think black can keep the corner, but he is badly cut. As black, I would prefer the previous result.

thequietcenter · Post by **thequietcenter** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:46 am

joseki move

Aphelion · Post by **Aphelion** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:30 pm

^Prime example of why sgfs aren't suited for this.

oren · Post by **oren** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:31 pm

Aphelion wrote:^Prime example of why sgfs aren't suited for this.

Yeah, I was pretty confused by what the current move is.

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