Jerks you met on go severs?

[daal]

Everything I would have to say has been repeated time and time again on some of the links of posted or literally dozens more exactly like them.

Just because you repeat something again and again doesn't make it true or right.

Out of interest, how are KGS' policies decided, who would be responsible for updating them, and on what circumstances would an update be considered to be appropriate? Are there any polls or reasons supporting the existing policies, or was it just either wms or a group of KGS admins saying "we should do it this way" and that's how things are as they are?

Good question.

[Kirby]

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You say "waive," I say justifiable repudiation based on the "breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing." Not that "being weird" is a breach, but being a jerk might be.

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How is it justifiable? Are you saying that the result of the games I play against other people should be dependent upon whether I like them as people (actually, in this context, we are saying that it's dependent upon whatever the escaper feels like)? Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.

I should've added a smiley, as I was half-joking, and I haven't followed the entire thread closely. I think we're on the "same side," but I'm not sure what you meant by your comment. All I meant was that certain behavior can allow someone to resign/quit a game justifiably. When I said that "being a jerk might be" sufficient, I said "might be" because I assume mild jerkiness (whatever that is) probably isn't sufficient. Of course we're talking about loose terms. But, for example, if I start a serious game with 1 hour main time, and after the game beings I become hypothetically 100% sure that my opponent will refuse to play a move for another hour and then play only random moves afterwards, I think that is justification for walking away from the game. I use a clear hypothetical to make a point--we could endlessly argue about what behavior is sufficient, but I don't want to.

Of course, I agree that certain behavior allows someone to resign/quit a game justifiably. I even go as far as to feel that resigning at any time is OK - though I know that this isn't necessarily a popular opinion.

I believe Mef was saying, though, that when you "meet a jerk" on the server, it is OK to escape. This, I don't think is appropriate.

When you've agreed to a game, you should see it through to the end, IMO. If it means resigning, then resign.

[judicata]

I believe Mef was saying, though, that when you "meet a jerk" on the server, it is OK to escape. This, I don't think is appropriate.

When you've agreed to a game, you should see it through to the end, IMO. If it means resigning, then resign.

Maybe we are on different sides, though I respect your position. I'm looking at starting a game like a contract in which both players agree to play to the end (whether it ends in resignation or counting). They also agree to other implied terms, such as not moving your opponent's stones (i.e., cheating). When a material term is breached, I feel that the other party can simply stop playing without further obligation. I don't think acting like an average jerk is enough to allow escaping, though--it takes something more.

FYI, I've never done this.

[Solomon]

Am I the only who actually takes the time to PM/send a message to the escaper nicely to go back to our game? I add the person to my buddy list and when I see him on, I resume the game which brings a pop-up to him. I'll give them a few hours or a few days (depending on when the person comes back on when I'm online) to cool down and clear their head because a lot of times when people escape, this is probably the state they're in:



And most of the time they do enter the resumed game and immediately resign, some of them even typing out 'thx' or apologizing. What I do isn't as time-consuming as it sounds, and coupled with my habit of scanning my opponent's game list before accepting/rejecting his game offer, means I haven't had to deal with an opponent who escapes AND doesn't eventually resign the game in a very long time (at least a year).

And yes, I too have my own idea for an ideal escaper system and policy (basically Tygem's) but can't please them all.

[judicata]

Am I the only who actually takes the time to PM/send a message to the escaper nicely to go back to our game?

You're not the only one - that's my practice. But, like you, I haven't run into very many escapers and the whole things doesn't really bother me much.

[hyperpape]

Am I the only who actually takes the time to PM/send a message to the escaper nicely to go back to our game?

I did it once, without the niceness, and it worked. I hadn't thought about it since then, but I really regret having been so nasty.

Your way is better.

[Inkwolf]

Am I the only who actually takes the time to PM/send a message to the escaper nicely to go back to our game?

Actually, I had my first escaper the other day, and after seeing that half of their games were unfinished, I send a message explaining that they needed to hit the 'resign' button when they quit or risk getting a reputation as an escaper. Surprisingly, when I signed in this evening, my unfinished game with them was listed as won by resignation, and checking their user profile showed that all their other unfinished games had been resolved as well.

So, there are some people who apparently just don't realize they're messing up.

[xed_over]

So, there are some people who apparently just don't realize they're messing up.

That's what I keep trying to tell people, but I think they rather like getting upset instead

[jts]

So, there are some people who apparently just don't realize they're messing up.

That's what I keep trying to tell people, but I think they rather like getting upset instead

There are, of course, tons of computer games where quitting the game is how you resign.

[Kirby]

I believe Mef was saying, though, that when you "meet a jerk" on the server, it is OK to escape. This, I don't think is appropriate.

When you've agreed to a game, you should see it through to the end, IMO. If it means resigning, then resign.

Maybe we are on different sides, though I respect your position. I'm looking at starting a game like a contract in which both players agree to play to the end (whether it ends in resignation or counting). They also agree to other implied terms, such as not moving your opponent's stones (i.e., cheating). When a material term is breached, I feel that the other party can simply stop playing without further obligation. I don't think acting like an average jerk is enough to allow escaping, though--it takes something more.

FYI, I've never done this.

Interesting... Could you provide an example of what type of behavior you believe merits escaping? For example, what would you consider a "material term"?

[topazg]

Am I the only who actually takes the time to PM/send a message to the escaper nicely to go back to our game?

Actually, I had my first escaper the other day, and after seeing that half of their games were unfinished, I send a message explaining that they needed to hit the 'resign' button when they quit or risk getting a reputation as an escaper. Surprisingly, when I signed in this evening, my unfinished game with them was listed as won by resignation, and checking their user profile showed that all their other unfinished games had been resolved as well.

So, there are some people who apparently just don't realize they're messing up.

Very interesting, and my bad for assuming they knew how KGS expects them to finish the game. I will definitely do this first from now on - I'll most likely still resign them myself if they are there after a few days to a week or so though.