Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:54 W:41
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | 3 W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . 2 1 . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m . . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W . . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

If you accept.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:55 W:41
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | W W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . B W . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m X . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W . . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]


Seeing if white will connect - white probably won't, so I will then take the minus point and get about 10 points swing in the corner. I think that's better than me connecting and white playing at this point instead. Now there is also three spots worth about 4-6 points (the top plus point is largest), but unfortunately I don't think I'll have time to play first.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:55 W:42
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | W W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | . B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . B W . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m B . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W O . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
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We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:55 W:42
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . p . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | W W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | X B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | . B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | . W B W . B W . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m B . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W W . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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This game has been fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to the conclusion.

But, dang, you guys are trying to make my eyes bleed... :shock: So many red circles... ;)
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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:)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:56 W:49
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B . B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | W W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | X B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | 2 B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | 1 W B W . B W . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m B . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W W . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

If he connects his stone I believe connecting mine back to my group is bigger than taking the final +5 point on the board.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . 2 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W B 1 B B . B . |
$$ | . . m W W . W W B B . |
$$ | W W W . . . W B B W . |
$$ | X B B W W B . W W . W |
$$ | B . B B B B . . . W p |
$$ | B B W W . B . . . . . |
$$ | W W B W . B W . W . . |
$$ | . W m W . B . W m B . |
$$ | . . B W W B . B W W . |
$$ | . . . B W B . B . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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Glad that you are enjoying it :)

Sorry for the red circles, too late to change the previous diagrams now, but perhaps we can flip the use of red circles for current moves?

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:57 W:49
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O p |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O m O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . B X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:56 W:45
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O p |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O W O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:57 W:45
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X B X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O p |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm1 Score - B:57 W:46
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . . W O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O p |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
We're nameless things with no memory; no knowledge of what went before,
No understanding of what is now, no knowledge of what will be.
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Re: Batoo-kovitch #4: Dusk Eagle vs illluck

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:64 W:47
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . 2 W O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O 3 |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]
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I resign.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Score - B:64 W:47
$$ +-----------------------+
$$ | . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O X X X X . X . |
$$ | . . m O O . O O X X . |
$$ | O O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | X X X O O X . O O . O |
$$ | X . X X X X . . . O X |
$$ | X X O O . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O . X O . O . . |
$$ | . O O O . X . O m X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . |
$$ +-----------------------+[/go]

At any point you can play a move like :b1:, and at the end of the game it will either be left on the board or (since Batoo uses area-like scoring) I'll have to capture it, resulting in -5 points. That leaves me too far behind to win the game.

Thanks for the game illuck, it was a lot of fun :).
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Thanks for the game, but are you sure that's how it works? That seems rather strange to me...
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I'm pretty sure: the game uses area scoring, and from looking at one of the other threads it said that the minus points do not get counted as actual territory. Araban apparently wrote a thorough review of the rules at GoDiscussions, but that's down. What's worse, Godiscussions robots.txt disallows traversal of the threads on it's forum, so the Internet Archive doesn't have a backup.

I didn't think about this situation at the beginning of the game, but it's the interpretation that would make the most sense to me.
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I'm still not convinced that's how it works. I'm pretty sure you won the game XD
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